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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 08-22-2010, 12:37 AM Thread Starter
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Blake or Fish?

Blake or Fish: who has had a better career by far? Pretty comparable careers, Blake is almost two years older but in terms of pro-experience 1 year older.

James Blake

Singles

10 titles, 14 finals

Best results in Grand Slam tournaments:
Australian Open (quarterfinalist 2008)
US Open (quarterfinalist 2005-06)

Best results in "Masters Series" tournaments:
Indian Wells (finalist 2006)
Cincinnati (finalist 2007)

Other big results:
Masters (finalist 2006)
Olympics (semifinalist 2008)

Doubles

5 titles, 2 finals

Best results in Grand Slam tournaments:
Australian Open (quarterfinalist 2005)
Wimbledon (semifinalist 2009)

Mardy Fish

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5 titles, 12 finals

Best results in Grand Slam tournaments:
Australian Open (quarterfinalist 2007)
US Open (quarterfinalist 2008)

Best results in "Masters Series" tournaments:
Indian Wells (finalist 2008)
Cincinnati (finalist 2003 & 2010)

Other big results:
Olympics (finalist 2004)

Doubles

8 titles, 1 finals

Best results in Grand Slam tournaments:
Australian Open (quarterfinalist 2005 & 2009)
Wimbledon (semifinalist 2009)

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Re: Blake or Fish?

That's incredibly close, I think I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to answer though, if Fish wins I'll go with him, if he doesn't then I'll go with Blake.
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Re: Blake or Fish?

Blake, which is sad for Fish.

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Re: Blake or Fish?

For now Blake , from tomorrow it could be Fish

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Re: Blake or Fish?

Obviously Blake by a long shot. He was top 10 in the world for a long time, and always underperformed relative to his true value.

Further he always had the kind of x factor where he was capable of taking down a big shot player like Rafa or Agassi and indeed he did.

He was too streaky to ever win anything, but he was also the type of player you definitely didn't want to see show up in your draw.
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Re: Blake or Fish?

Blake, regardless of tomorrow.

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Re: Blake or Fish?

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Blake's gonna lose till he retires, Fish's gonna win for one or two years
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Re: Blake or Fish?

not so close

James Blake

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10 titles, 14 finals


Mardy Fish

5 titles, 11 finals.

That pretty much says it. That, and on top the career best ranking Blake being top 4 and Fish top 17.


Blake from 2005-2008 was clearly the second American with great consistency and many times overlaping Roddick for some amount of time as the n.1 American around 2006-07. No other American has really being close to doing that. He was considered a top player for years.

Also, from 2000-2003 he was on of the best potential prospects from the U.S having close matches with many top players (Hewitt/ Federer) and being a dangerous top 20 already. He only went away from the radar a few years a few years around 2003-2005

Fish hasn`t quite mount that consistency and I am not sure has really being considered a top notch player for a considerable amount of time. At best he can be considered a very good top 20 player at the US HC season.


I don`t think their career is quite comparable yet. Maybe if Fish reach his peak now much later on his career.

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Re: Blake or Fish?

Blake. But if Fish keeps playing like this that will change.

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Blake unless Fish wins TM

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Re: Blake or Fish?

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not so close

James Blake

Singles

10 titles, 14 finals


Mardy Fish

5 titles, 11 finals.
But there's a question, whether won/lost finals are the best criterion to value tennis players? I'm not saying Fish has had better career than Blake but it's worth discussing. My first thought to compare retired Frenchmen:

Forget: 11 titles, 8 finals
Pioline: 5 titles, 12 finals

Grand Slam:
Forget never passed quarterfinal (5 times there)
Pioline: finalist at the US Open and Wimbledon, 4 other quarterfinals

It's a matter of quantity and quality, what's more important for us...

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Re: Blake or Fish?

True Voo, but in my view Blake is clearly. superior to Fish n both quantity and quality. That could get really closer if Fish has the peak of his career from now on.

The number that is quite important as well is career ranking.
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Re: Blake or Fish?

If Fish keeps it up though, he's could end up ahead of Blake. For now though Blake's consistent run in the top 10 puts him ahead. Fish is definitely surprising me lately. I actually hope he beats Federer tomorrow. It would be sort of interesting then with some expectations for Fish in the US Open. A few weeks ago it was looking like Isner and Querrey were going to take over as the only hopes for US tennis future.

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Re: Blake or Fish?

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The number that is quite important as well is career ranking.
It's important but when we concentrate on their best achievements we have only GS quarterfinals in both cases, Blake has played 3 big finals, Fish one final more. Blake was humiliated in each of his big finals, Fish had match points to get his first Masters Series title, led two-sets-to-one in the Olympic final.

Looking at the numbers logically, Blake has had a better career so far, but the general impression (at least for me) is that Fish isn't far behind, obviously tomorrows final would improve this general impression.

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Re: Blake or Fish?

If fish wins tomorrow he'd move ahead of blake in my mind. Blake has those DC matches too that mean a lot both in terms of his career and his popularity.

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