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View Poll Results: Is it a good deal to trade the SF record for only one more slam?
I am Roger's fan. I would say YES and Roger would also say Yes 16 16.67%
I am Roger's fan. I would say YES but Roger would say No 1 1.04%
I am Roger's fan. I would say NO but Roger would say YES 5 5.21%
I am Roger's fan. I would say NO and Roger would also say NO 46 47.92%
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post #1 of 89 (permalink) Old 08-21-2010, 04:31 AM Thread Starter
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The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

I have seen many people (including "experts") saying that Roger's 23 straight GS SF is one of the greatest records of this game. Some even say that this is the greatest one. Their major argument is that it is nearly impossible for a pro to keep being competitive as well as being consistent in the most important events of such a demanding game for nearly six years.

I have to admit that this record is one of the most difficult record, if not the most difficult one, but difficulty just doesn't automatically translate into greatness. This record looks great because Roger won most of his SFs (20/23) and Fs (14/20). The greatness of the SF record would significantly diminish without Roger's continuous success in the SFs and Fs. Imagine if Roger lost most of his SFs or Fs, would the SF record still be as great as what people are considering it now?

The objective of this game is to win championships, but not entering SFs. As Roger's fan, if you could trade the SF record (that means more earlier exits in slams from 2004 W to 2010 AO) for ONLY one more slam during this span (now 14, make it to 15), would you accept the deal? I am Roger's fan and I would say yes without hesitation. Do you think Roger would accept this deal?
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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

NO! The SF streak is rather epic no matter how you slice it.
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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

it shows his consistency at the top of the game, of course at the end of the day Slams are what matters but see Sampras for example, what was his best streak? 5?

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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

One of the most underrated things in sports history tbh. That sounds like it's Federertardish stuff but just think about it

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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

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I have seen many people (including "experts") saying that Roger's 23 straight GS SF is one of the greatest records of this game. Some even say that this is the greatest one. Their major argument is that it is nearly impossible for a pro to keep being competitive as well as being consistent in the most important events of such a demanding game for nearly six years.

I have to admit that this record is one of the most difficult record, if not the most difficult one, but difficulty just doesn't automatically translate into greatness. This record looks great because Roger won most of his SFs (20/23) and Fs (14/20). The greatness of the SF record would significantly diminish without Roger's continuous success in the SFs and Fs. Imagine if Roger lost most of his SFs or Fs, would the SF record still be as great as what people are considering it now?

The objective of this game is to win championships, but not entering SFs. As Roger's fan, if you could trade the SF record (that means more earlier exits in slams from 2004 W to 2010 AO) for ONLY one more slam during this span (now 14, make it to 15), would you accept the deal? I am Roger's fan and I would say yes without hesitation. Do you think Roger would accept this deal?
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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

It's a very epic record but I think the OP's point about it being more epic because he's backed it up is valid. Kinda like Lendl's USO streak, certainly great but only managing to win 3 o f the 8 consecutive finals does put a damper on it.

Certainly a trademark to his consistency of the highest order and I don't think it's overrated because it's so damn good...but he did make some good points so kudos
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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

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Ha ha .. Fail .. He HAS won the most number of slams as well!

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I have to admit that this record is one of the most difficult record, if not the most difficult one, but difficulty just doesn't automatically translate into greatness. This record looks great because Roger won most of his SFs (20/23) and Fs (14/20). The greatness of the SF record would significantly diminish without Roger's continuous success in the SFs and Fs. Imagine if Roger lost most of his SFs or Fs, would the SF record still be as great as what people are considering it now?
What's the point that you're trying to make ? The greatness of the record would diminish if he had lost most of those SF's ? Let's say it would. Did he lose most of those SF's ? No he did not. Therefore, the greatness of the record is not diminished.

I mean, what kind of twisted reasoning is this ? "The greatness would diminish if the accomplishments weren't as great"... BIG F*CKING DUH !
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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

Agreed that it means so much because of the success he's also had, but it's not an overrated statistic.
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You have to make semis to win championships. He's only lost like 2 semis during the streak

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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

Why exchange the one for the other if you´ll get BOTH anyway?
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Re: The greatness of Federer's 23 straight GS SFs is overrated.

Its a stupid question.

If he didn't make that number of consecutive semis, he wouldnt have the number of slams he had, so he cant trade, you cant have one without the other.

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it shows his consistency at the top of the game, of course at the end of the day Slams are what matters but see Sampras for example, what was his best streak? 5?
bullshit of the highest order.......don't take sampras' name ever again ffs.......he played in a generation where almost every surface was different from others, players used to play with varying styles as most of them were surface specialists.......that contributes to more variety and difficulty opposition wise and much more unpredictability overall.......

with the homogenization of surfaces and dying variety, no one benefited more than federer.......no one.......it's not even close........when did you start watching tennis? 2005?

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I think the OP has a valid point. To me the record of reaching 17 out of 18 GS finals in a row is a FAR greater record than the SF streak.

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What's the point that you're trying to make ? The greatness of the record would diminish if he had lost most of those SF's ? Let's say it would. Did he lose most of those SF's ? No he did not. Therefore, the greatness of the record is not diminished.

I mean, what kind of twisted reasoning is this ? "The greatness would diminish if the accomplishments weren't as great"... BIG F*CKING DUH !
You may argue that his SF record PLUS his results in those SFs and Fs, as a single achievement, is great. But I am referring to the greatness of the SF record ALONE. Ignore his results in those SFs and Fs, does the SF record ALONE still look as great as what it looks with the consideration of Roger's results in those SFs and Fs.
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