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Cincinnati R1: Ginepri def. Devvarman 6-7(3) 7-6(4) 6-2

very weird match, no rhythm at all and at the end Robbie's experience prevailed




if someone broke, then the other guy would break back almost immediately

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Re: Cincinnati R1: Ginepri def. Devvarman 6-7(3) 7-6(4) 6-2

Devvarman missed a golden chance tonight

Ginepri started off so badly, he had close to 20 errors after the first 5 games. Somdev was up 4-1, then down 4-5, before rallying back. Robby played a little better towards the start of the 2nd set, had the break, lost it, and Somdev couldn't capitalize. And then after having had so many breaks of serve, both players started holding a lot. Then Devvarman was poor in the 3rd set
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Re: Cincinnati R1: Ginepri def. Devvarman 6-7(3) 7-6(4) 6-2

One of the worst matches I've ever seen at this level.
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Re: Cincinnati R1: Ginepri def. Devvarman 6-7(3) 7-6(4) 6-2

Robby finally pulled it together at the end, where he combined patience and aggression to win the points. This is Robby's first night match win in quite a long time, lol!

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One of the worst matches I've ever seen at this level.
It's one of the latest matches too... It sucks, because you're ready all day, and can't play until your body's clock naturally wants to wind down.
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Somdev has blown several chances at wins lately. Young, Tipsarevic, Istomin and now Ginepri. It shows you that for starters, having no weapons hurts you in tight situations. It also shows you that Somdev isn't as mentally tough as some think he is.
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Somdev has blown several chances at wins lately. Young, Tipsarevic, Istomin and now Ginepri. It shows you that for starters, having no weapons hurts you in tight situations. It also shows you that Somdev isn't as mentally tough as some think he is.
I like watching Somdev but that is a frustrating thing about him. He can get lots of pop on his serve at times, but he really needs something to finish off points. A good illustration of how college tennis will take your game a good amount up, but then the next couple years are important for development. We've seen John really step it up off the ground and work on his fitness, but Somdev hasn't quite taken that same type of step
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I like watching Somdev but that is a frustrating thing about him. He can get lots of pop on his serve at times, but he really needs something to finish off points. A good illustration of how college tennis will take your game a good amount up, but then the next couple years are important for development. We've seen John really step it up off the ground and work on his fitness, but Somdev hasn't quite taken that same type of step
His first problem is he seems scrawny and pretty weak. He needs to hit the gym a bit. He doesn't have very good racquet head speed. He doesn't finish across his body, he sort of pats the forehand and it's too windshield-ish. His backhand is ultra-stiff. He's also not as good of a mover/footwork as advertised. He does need to develop much more, he may not have the money for an elite coach, but he needs a really good coach who will deconstruct his game and really incorporate more assertiveness, more variety, and better game play. As you say, he has his college game with some small tinkers. It shows you how great of a college player he is that he can go as far as he has in the pros with the game he has, but he's not going to go much further. I don't see him improving much more, it's not natural for him to be aggressive, he makes wild errors trying to do so, and his serve percentages and second serve aren't good enough when he goes for his first service.
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Re: Cincinnati R1: Ginepri def. Devvarman 6-7(3) 7-6(4) 6-2

Looks like an awful lot of net approaches for 2 guys that can't volley to save their life...and plenty of UE's as well. Glad I missed this one.
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Re: Cincinnati R1: Ginepri def. Devvarman 6-7(3) 7-6(4) 6-2

Ginepri played well at some points in the match, he had great forehand winners, now Davydenko. i think Robby wins

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Looks like an awful lot of net approaches for 2 guys that can't volley to save their life...and plenty of UE's as well. Glad I missed this one.
when there's a short ball, you have to move up to the net if you want to try and win the point...

I think many players, including these two, get a bad rep at net because people see and remember a few of the really bad misses they have when they volley, misses that Federer makes all the time too, but people allow themselves to forget when he does it because he's such a well-rounded and accomplished player, that he can make you forget, and he's forgiven more easily for his faults. If you actually looked at the net play statistics, you might be surprised who's done the best.
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His first problem is he seems scrawny and pretty weak. He needs to hit the gym a bit. He doesn't have very good racquet head speed. He doesn't finish across his body, he sort of pats the forehand and it's too windshield-ish. His backhand is ultra-stiff. He's also not as good of a mover/footwork as advertised. He does need to develop much more, he may not have the money for an elite coach, but he needs a really good coach who will deconstruct his game and really incorporate more assertiveness, more variety, and better game play. As you say, he has his college game with some small tinkers. It shows you how great of a college player he is that he can go as far as he has in the pros with the game he has, but he's not going to go much further. I don't see him improving much more, it's not natural for him to be aggressive, he makes wild errors trying to do so, and his serve percentages and second serve aren't good enough when he goes for his first service.
You've mentioned a lot of things here. But don't you think he's too old for that training now?

Do you think he's good enough to at least stay a few years in the top hundred maybe winning at least 1-2 titles? I fancy his chances in Chennai where he has home support.

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Re: Cincinnati R1: Ginepri def. Devvarman 6-7(3) 7-6(4) 6-2

not too bad for Robby because that's not a loss

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