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post #1 of 148 (permalink) Old 08-16-2010, 04:35 PM Thread Starter
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The biggest *

To celebrate the return of Fedal, who's * will be bigger, more significant once they retire?

For Federer, the * would be the H2H with Nadal

For Nadal, the * would be that clay was home to most of his success.
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Re: The biggest *

Neither are important in my point of view.

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I don't quite agree:

- Fed's H2H against Nadal is more a compliment for Nadal than a failure for Fed. While Nadal deserves to be remembered by the fact he was the only player capable of stopping Federer during Fed's best years, the Swiss player's overwhelming glory should not and will not be marred by the fact he had at least one rival good enough to beat him sometimes. All player's have a worse surface, that's clay for Federer, not really so much of a big deal, the guy has won 1 FO and played 3 finals (and won several MS1000 in Hamburg and Madrid), a pretty dignified result on your worse surface.

- People keep forgetting Nadal's record on grass. Out of 6 years since Nadal started playing at his top level (2005), and though he skipped 2009 due to injury, he has played 4 Wimbledon finals, winning 2 of them. There are very few tournaments on grass, so his total number of wins may not be half as high as those he has achieved on clay, but I think it is high time people stopped considering Rafa as only a claycourter. The guy is not only very good, but I would say dominant, in all surfaces but HC, where his results are not that far away from Fed's on clay (1 AO, 5 MS1000 + Olympics).

Funny thing about *, it only seems to be used to pinpoint the less brilliant results of the very best players. If they were used for other contendents among the top 10, most of them would have ******** behind their names.
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Fed's h2h vs. Nadal is nothing in comparison to the 16 GS he has, so doesn't mean anything when it comes to saying who is the GOAT.

Nadal's * will be bigger.

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To celebrate the return of Fedal, who's * will be bigger, more significant once they retire?

For Federer, the * would be the H2H with Nadal

For Nadal, the * would be that clay was home to most of his success.
your top rival owns you on world's biggest stages in tennis........what else is there to discuss?
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your top rival owns you on world's biggest stages in tennis........what else is there to discuss?
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your top rival owns you on world's biggest stages in tennis........what else is there to discuss?
Career achievements, maybe.
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I'm....... not sure...... if that one......... understands......... numbers......
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I'm....... not sure...... if that one......... understands......... numbers......
I'm not if he understands anything that doen't make Nadal look amazing.

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Re: The biggest *

There you go again, comparing Federer to Nadal and thinking it is meaningful, when in fact both players are more interested in how they will end up in tennis history than in how they will end up in respect to one another (Fed will end up as goat, Nadal maybe as big as Tilden or Borg).

Why some people cannot enjoy both runs at the same time is something that is simply beyond me.
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Nadal is the best all time on clay. He has an Aussie and 2 wimbledons so he can play elite tennis on other than clay.

Federer can't beat Nadal no matter the weather,time or dream. That should not be the case for any GOAT wannabe, always owned by another player.

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Slam total is what matters but whoever has the more successful career when this era is done will carry the bigger *. Wheather it's Fed or Rafa. Right now Rafa hasn't won all 4 majors so I'd give him the bigger * as of now.

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Re: The biggest *

If we're talking about how many times both * will be brought up, then Federer's will be bigger.

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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).

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Slam total is what matters but whoever has the more successful career when this era is done will carry the bigger *. Wheather it's Fed or Rafa. Right now Rafa hasn't won all 4 majors so I'd give him the bigger * as of now.
Oh but Federer won the FO because he didn't face Nadal. Another *.

Just to point out the stupidity of the * games.

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Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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