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Will Nadal make semi's in Cincy?

Yet again we saw this week that Nadal cant make the final of a hard court tourney to meet Roger. How can Roger ever improve his h2h with Nadal if Nadal only make clay finals? But now they are in the same half of Cincy. Do you think this time he will make it? I think Roger will probably make semis, unless he tanks to rest. But will Nadal get past Berdych?
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Re: Will Nadal make semi's in Cincy?

You mention Berdych but remember that Nadal beat Berdych 6-4 7-5 at the Cincy QFs last year. Of course Berdych is playing better this season. However, he also lost 7 matches in a row to Rafa (including the Wimbledon final) and that may give the Spaniard the mental edge.

Federer has played well enough when it mattered to make his way to the final in Toronto so his game is at the level it needs to be in order to make it to the semis at Cincy. That could potentially mean a SF match with Nadal - excluding the TMC, this will be the first time since their RG semi in 2005 when they have played before the finals.

I honestly think both of them will make it. Moreover if they do it will be hard to pick a winner although I'd place the odds slightly in Federer's favour.
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Nadal has a pretty hard draw, I mean he clearly has the mental edge over Berdych as he's won like the last 17 sets in a row against him but on these type of courts Berdych could trouble him a lot if he plays well. Last year's QF between them two here is clearly no indication of anything even though Nadal probably played one of his best matches after coming back from injury, however Berdych and his tactics were horrible.
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Re: Will Nadal make semi's in Cincy?

well berdych is a different player these days and he froze up in the wimby final so i wont take that too seriously. the hard court will favor him against nadal.
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well berdych is a different player these days and he froze up in the wimby final so i wont take that too seriously. the hard court will favor him against nadal.
So true, and I doubt him losing 7 times in a row to Rafa will hurt his confidence a lot, hence he lost 8 times in a row to Roger and still managed to keep it together to beat him in Miami. We'll see anyway, Nadal has a possibly hard R2 match and Berdych has a possible hard R3 match.
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well berdych is a different player these days and he froze up in the wimby final so i wont take that too seriously. the hard court will favor him against nadal.
Point taken. On the fast hard courts I'm sure this is the best potential opportunity that Berdych has got to beat Nadal for a while. But as you say, tactics will be important. While it is true that last year's circumstances are very different to this year Nadal still at least has the confidence that he can beat Berdych on hard courts. It's a similar sort of confidence I saw with Murray when he was playing Nadal - the fact that he had won their previous encounter on the surface in my opinion allowed him to hit more freely and aggressively, following the tactics that served him well in the Australian Open.


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So true, and I doubt him losing 7 times in a row to Rafa will hurt his confidence a lot, hence he lost 8 times in a row to Roger and still managed to keep it together to beat him in Miami. We'll see anyway, Nadal has a possibly hard R2 match and Berdych has a possible hard R3 match.
That too is a fair point - I mean, Berdych certainly has nothing to lose and Nadal will be acutely aware of his adversary's successful season. But they both have to get there first and their respective draws are far from being cakewalks.
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Yet again we saw this week that Nadal cant make the final of a hard court tourney to meet Roger. How can Roger ever improve his h2h with Nadal if Nadal only make clay finals? But now they are in the same half of Cincy. Do you think this time he will make it? I think Roger will probably make semis, unless he tanks to rest. But will Nadal get past Berdych?
Well, Nadal has made every single HC MS1000 SF since Cinci last year, that means 6 out of 6 (I include indoor hard Bercy), some of which were played during a career low on his game, so I see little reason to doubt he has a pretty good chance of doing it again. You always seem to forget that, although Nadal is far weaker on hard than on clay or grass, he is very consistent on HC, systematically making the top 8 (QF) and most times the top 4 (SF) in HC tournaments. Since Cincy last year, he has made 4,025 points on HC, which is not exactly chicken-feed.

BTW, I would think 4 Wimby finals on a row, wining 2 of them, was enough for you to stop saying he only makes finals on clay, don't you think?

Nadal will never have a favourable H2H against Fed on HC, same way Fed will never have a favourable one on clay, with grass still being pretty much doubtful (I'm talking about H2H, not overall results).

I feel it is a homage for Rafa that he is nr1 by such a wide margin even without being first rate on the surface on which more big tournaments are played, it's a sign of his really huge dominance on clay and grass.
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Re: Will Nadal make semi's in Cincy?

More important to show some consistancy in his matches. He was too patchy this week, if he loses to Berdych in the quarters while playing poorly then there would be cause for some concern as he would have had plenty of matches to play himself into form.

To suggest the only way Federer doesn't make it is if he tanks is laughable. Granted he is looking better than he has for a while and is surely gaining confidence but today should tell us a bit about where he is at.
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Re: Will Nadal make semi's in Cincy?

Cincy probably has the fastest court in hole season so I doubt if Berdych is fit

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Well, Nadal has made every single HC MS1000 SF since Cinci last year, that means 6 out of 6 (I include indoor hard Bercy), some of which were played during a career low on his game, so I see little reason to doubt he has a pretty good chance of doing it again. You always seem to forget that, although Nadal is far weaker on hard than on clay or grass, he is very consistent on HC, systematically making the top 8 (QF) and most times the top 4 (SF) in HC tournaments. Since Cincy last year, he has made 4,025 points on HC, which is not exactly chicken-feed.

BTW, I would think 4 Wimby finals on a row, wining 2 of them, was enough for you to stop saying he only makes finals on clay, don't you think?

Nadal will never have a favourable H2H against Fed on HC, same way Fed will never have a favourable one on clay, with grass still being pretty much doubtful (I'm talking about H2H, not overall results).

I feel it is a homage for Rafa that he is nr1 by such a wide margin even without being first rate on the surface on which more big tournaments are played, it's a sign of his really huge dominance on clay and grass.
yeah i didnt know that. its a pretty consistent record in the HC masters. but i also feel like berdych has a great shot. one thing is sure, nadal cant afford not to make semis if he is going to be taken very seriously as a USO favorite.
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Well, Nadal has made every single HC MS1000 SF since Cinci last year, that means 6 out of 6 (I include indoor hard Bercy), some of which were played during a career low on his game, so I see little reason to doubt he has a pretty good chance of doing it again. You always seem to forget that, although Nadal is far weaker on hard than on clay or grass, he is very consistent on HC, systematically making the top 8 (QF) and most times the top 4 (SF) in HC tournaments. Since Cincy last year, he has made 4,025 points on HC, which is not exactly chicken-feed.

BTW, I would think 4 Wimby finals on a row, wining 2 of them, was enough for you to stop saying he only makes finals on clay, don't you think?

Nadal will never have a favourable H2H against Fed on HC, same way Fed will never have a favourable one on clay, with grass still being pretty much doubtful (I'm talking about H2H, not overall results).

I feel it is a homage for Rafa that he is nr1 by such a wide margin even without being first rate on the surface on which more big tournaments are played, it's a sign of his really huge dominance on clay and grass.
excellent post old sport.
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Re: Will Nadal make semi's in Cincy?

Oooops, made a mistake, I said Nadal had made 4,025 points on HC since Cinci last year, but it really was 'only' 3,810 (F in Shanghai and Doha; SF in Cinci, USO, Beijing, Bercy, IW, Miami and Canada; QF in AO).

More or less the same, but just for the record.
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Nadal has a pretty hard draw, I mean he clearly has the mental edge over Berdych as he's won like the last 17 sets in a row against him but on these type of courts Berdych could trouble him a lot if he plays well. Last year's QF between them two here is clearly no indication of anything even though Nadal probably played one of his best matches after coming back from injury, however Berdych and his tactics were horrible.
Berdych has also beaten Nadal in Cincinnati.

If the two play this year at the tournament it has the potential be a good match, and a very important match for both in terms of what they bring to the USO.
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This is by far his worst Masters 1000 tournament and I think that 10th consecutive 1/2 will be fantastic (also,with that he will keep his points and in that way he will soon be sure for Number 1 in the end of the year)

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