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The "Big Serve" Debate

Isn't complaining about a guy having just a big serve but a weak return kind of like saying a baseball player is no good because he only hits home runs and can't pitch? Or saying a basketball player can only hit 3's but can't rebound? I understand that it may not always be the most exciting to watch aces constantly fly by, but personally I get a kick out of watching those bombs, one after the other.
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A big serve is if that's all there is to his game.
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The difference is that your opponent has little chance to stop you from hitting big serves, unlike other shots in the game.

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A big serve is if that's all there is to his game.
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The serve is a shot like any other. People have complained about it for years and will continue to do so.

Though with new technology, the returner has gained tremendous advantage compared to, say, 10 years ago.
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I'm a huge Isner fan but I can understand why people don't like his huge serving game. For the really tall guys with huge serves it definitely appears to the untrained eye that they have no talent and are just really really tall. If everyone was Karlovic or Isner the game would be terrible, but if no one could serve you'd get the WTA where no one ever holds and it just becomes a contest in choking.
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I'm a huge Isner fan but I can understand why people don't like his huge serving game. For the really tall guys with huge serves it definitely appears to the untrained eye that they have no talent and are just really really tall. If everyone was Karlovic or Isner the game would be terrible, but if no one could serve you'd get the WTA where no one ever holds and it just becomes a contest in choking.
I will tell you why I was cheering for Mahut and am no Isner fan. He relies heavily on his serve, for which he has an inherent physical advantage. Players like Sampras, Federer, Roddick etc. who had or have big serves without being very tall are a lot more praiseworthy in my book.

Isner has some groundies, granted, but let's face it: if he didn't have that one shot his ranking would be nowhere near as high as it is. And for that shot he has a big advantage that didn't come through skill or hard work.
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I will tell you why I was cheering for Mahut and am no Isner fan. He relies heavily on his serve, for which he has an inherent physical advantage. Players like Sampras, Federer, Roddick etc. who had or have big serves without being very tall are a lot more praiseworthy in my book.

Isner has some groundies, granted, but let's face it: if he didn't have that one shot his ranking would be nowhere near as high as it is. And for that shot he has a big advantage that didn't come through skill or hard work.
That kind of scenario reminds me of Del Potro...he had a nice ground game but his serve was pathetic for how tall he is. He ramped up his serve and now he's won a major. Not saying John will win a major, but he's certainly improved his ground game and fitness, he just needs to keep on progressing and get a better return. And his mental strength is astounding for a tall guy, something Karlovic lacks
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That kind of scenario reminds me of Del Potro...he had a nice ground game but his serve was pathetic for how tall he is. He ramped up his serve and now he's won a major. Not saying John will win a major, but he's certainly improved his ground game and fitness, he just needs to keep on progressing and get a better return. And his mental strength is astounding for a tall guy, something Karlovic lacks
That is why I despise Del Potro. He is just a quality ballbasher who takes advantage from being able to hit the ball from a higher position. I fear tennis is moving to the point where it will be dominated by giant servers and hitters. I hope I'm wrong.
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del potro is probably the only guy who could have beaten nadal @ the french open no matter how well nadal played

i would say an on fire davydenko would be another who could beat nadal on clay

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del potro is probably the only guy who could have beaten nadal @ the french open no matter how well nadal played

i would say an on fire davydenko would be another who could beat nadal on clay
I love him and he has the shots too...mentally he would be toast though
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Isn't complaining about a guy having just a big serve but a weak return kind of like saying a baseball player is no good because he only hits home runs and can't pitch? Or saying a basketball player can only hit 3's but can't rebound?
No and no. Tennis is an individual sport, unlike baseball and basketball. Cooperation between individual team mates of different strengths and weaknesses does not exist in tennis. To win, you have to be decent in every respect and have at least one great weapon, simple as that. Any glaring weakness is quickly exploited by your opponent.

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TBH ten years ago i was pretty bored with big serves, but today the points, even on fast courts, are so dang long you could die and be reincarnated 8 times before a point is over--that shoot out between mahut and isner was pretty fun to watch IMHO. grass is always greener i s'pose....

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I will tell you why I was cheering for Mahut and am no Isner fan. He relies heavily on his serve, for which he has an inherent physical advantage. Players like Sampras, Federer, Roddick etc. who had or have big serves without being very tall are a lot more praiseworthy in my book.


mahut was relying pretty heavily on his serve too, if i recall....

mahut is 6'3"--only compared to isner is 6'3" "not very tall." but yeah, sampras and federer are veritable midgets at 6'1"

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Isner has some groundies, granted, but let's face it: if he didn't have that one shot his ranking would be nowhere near as high as it is.
that is true of almost every player but federer--if nadal couldn't run all day, he'd be a pretty medicore player with results like those he achieves from aug-dec, all year long. most players have only one or two strenghts at most. besides, isner has a pretty fierce forehand in addition to his serve.

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And for that shot he has a big advantage that didn't come through skill or hard work.


isner has terrific touch and placement on his serve--his height only makes it all the more imposing, but it isn't reason for why it is so effective in the first place--delpo is no shorty but his serve is only average. i don't think any shot reaches pro-level without some effort...just sayin'

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his mental strength is astounding for a tall guy, something Karlovic lacks
uh...speechless truly...

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del potro is probably the only guy who could have beaten nadal @ the french open no matter how well nadal played

i would say an on fire davydenko would be another who could beat nadal on clay
If Soderling couldn't do it, Del Potro wouldn't either. And Nadal's beaten Davydenko many times on clay already.
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If Soderling couldn't do it, Del Potro wouldn't either. And Nadal's beaten Davydenko many times on clay already.
Even though Del Potro doesn't hit as hard as Soderling, but he's far more consistent. That's what makes Del Potro a scary opponent for Nadal. He can bash the ball all day long while only making a few UEs.
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