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Question Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

With his serve grass should be his favorite surface. But it obviously isn't. John Isner had a fantastic season, broke into the top 20 but he still never won two matches in a row on grass. He was seeded lower than his ranking is in Wimbledon. Isn't that weired?

Why doesn't he feel more comfortable on grass? Are the balls to heavy? At least he broke the record of aces in his last match.
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Re: Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

cos he plays matches that goes till 70-68 in the 5th
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Re: Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

He always comes to grass court season being injured, ill or dead tired.

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Re: Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

Still a limited player, serve means a lot but not everything. Has big problems winning return games for one.
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He always comes to grass court season being injured, ill or dead tired.
That was definitely the case this year.

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Re: Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

Same reason he didn't do well in most of the indoor season: he struggles to get into position, and can't return for crap. He's actually better on slower surfaces cos his serve is only marginally less effective - he can just use wider angles and higher bounce instead of pace. However, his ground game and especially returns benefit hugely, more than compensating for the minimal hit on his serve numbers.

When you have a forehand that can easily clear 100mph, and sometimes 110mph, the speed of the surface basically doesn't matter. Unfortunately for him, the conditions in Miami and Aus are harsh on a big guy, which mainly just leaves Indian Wells.
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Re: Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

But his groundstrokes including return are not weaker than Karlovic's for example!
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Because grass isn't just about serving.
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But his groundstrokes including return are not weaker than Karlovic's for example!
Yes. Karlovic is all serve though, so is better the faster the court. Isner is more than serve, but he can't use the rest of his game on grass or faster hard.

Anderson is the same, he's said he prefers a midpace high bounce hard court. It's also true for some normal-sized guys like Tsonga, who does best in Australia (sf/qf/final last 3 years) cos he can actually make some returns there.
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Maybe 10-15 years ago he would have done well on grass. Back then big servers used to go deep on the strength of their serve alone.
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And movement on grass.

Probably both linked.
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I agree with you. Inspite of he improved a lot on his game on the past year and a half his return of serve is still his weakness point.

If he can improve on that department he definitely has the game to make some damage on this kind of surface

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Re: Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

He's heavy and tall.
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No stamina?
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