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How do you feel about Wimbledon's Seeded players Bumping?

I dislike it! How long has this been going on?
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Re: How do you feel about Wimbledon's Seeded players Bumping?

I like, RG should copy it!
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Re: How do you feel about Wimbledon's Seeded players Bumping?

They don't "bump" exactly,they just use a specific formula that takes into account the last 2 years' grass results.I like it,and I think other Slams should follow it too.

I think the current formula has been used since 2001 but maybe I'm wrong.

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They don't "bump" exactly,they just use a specific formula that takes into account the last 2 years' grass results.I like it,and I think other Slams should follow it too.
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I like it, and it makes sense for this tournament, and not really many others. There aren't enough grass court tournaments for someone to use the grass court season to inflate their Wimbledon seeds. You can build an entirely strong seed-ready ranking off of purely great clay or hardcourt results, and to do that on grass is just...not really that possible without being one of the last 4, maybe 8 of Wimbledon in a given year.
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sorry, I never really notice that!
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I like it and I think RG should follow it too.

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I like it, and its much better than what they used to do, which pissed everyone off, sitting around a table and deciding who to move up and down without any concrete justifications for their decisions. This way, they can back it up with a formula so everyone can see (even if some American tennis writers choose to ignore that fact).

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I don't like it. It should be based on rankings.
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It's totally moronic. What's the point of switching the rankings to seed Fed #1 and Rafa #2? Or switching Roddick from #6 to #5? There's absolutely no point to it, doesn't make a difference in the draw. It's just smoke and mirrors and pomp and circumstance. Rafa couldn't play last year, he was injured. And because he couldn't play last year, like that wasn't punishment enough, he's losing his well-earned #1 spot this year? Ridic. And don't say "well Fed is seeded #1 bc he won 6 Wimbledons" because it's not just about that, or you'd have to say "well, Roddick has made finals and Murray and Djokovic haven't so he should be #3" and on and on down the list of history.

The system is flawed. If the system was a reliable measure of grass prowess, Roddick would be in the Top 4. He'd have his own quarter- which is one thing that actually WOULD change the draw, probably for the better.

Some of this stuff is crazy. Putting Jo below Ferrer on grass? Give me a break. Putting Isner down 5 spots under his ranking...why? Because he didn't do well a year or two ago? He's got a better shot to make it far with his game than a lot of people above him. If anything, he should go up and not down.

Rankings are in place for a reason. The rankings represent the hard work players have gone through all year to get where they are. It's stupid for good all-surface players who have busted their ass all year to get into the top 8 or top 16 of the rankings to lose their spot bc someone did better than them for one month on grass a year or two ago. It's unfair.

I'm glad the other Slams don't do this. And by the way, if they adjusted RG for clay prowess, it wouldn't make a damn difference. It wouldn't stop non-clay specialists like Melzer, Soderling and Berdych from making the semis. Only thing it would do is rob players of their rightfully earned seed position. The whole thing is

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The system is flawed. If the system was a reliable measure of grass prowess, Roddick would be in the Top 4. He'd have his own quarter- which is one thing that actually WOULD change the draw, probably for the better.
It means Roddick didn't get enough of ranking points in the rest of the season to make it happen even with the help of this formula. If he was close to the top 4, it could've happen.

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Some of this stuff is crazy. Putting Jo below Ferrer on grass? Give me a break. Putting Isner down 5 spots under his ranking...why? Because he didn't do well a year or two ago? He's got a better shot to make it far with his game than a lot of people above him. If anything, he should go up and not down.
While I agree that he has the right game on this surface though, who knows how things will turn out? Prove what you are capable of first, then you'll take advantage of it next year.

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I'm glad the other Slams don't do this. And by the way, if they adjusted RG for clay prowess, it wouldn't make a damn difference. It wouldn't stop non-clay specialists like Melzer, Soderling and Berdych from making the semis. Only thing it would do is rob players of their rightfully earned seed position. The whole thing is
Maybe they're not the typical clay courters, but again they can play on it more than decent and actually they've done well throughout the clay season, no?
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It's totally moronic. What's the point of switching the rankings to seed Fed #1 and Rafa #2? Or switching Roddick from #6 to #5? There's absolutely no point to it, doesn't make a difference in the draw.
Not it's totally moronic.It's totally moronic NOT to understand how this system works which is obviously the case here.
There are things called seed groups that define the draw and every player could be very well moved to a different one.
It's not smoke and mirrors it's a specific formula that has been explained a thousand times alread.

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I think Jills is trying to say that there is little difference between positions 5-8 and that's why there is no point in changing those positions (as any player seeded 5-8 can meet the number 1 or number 2 seed in the quarterfinals, see Australian Open 2009 - 6 Simon vs 1 Nadal - or Australian Open 2010 - 5 Murray vs 2 Nadal and 6 Davydenko vs 1 Federer).
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I think Jills is trying to say that there is little difference between positions 5-8 and that's why there is no point in changing those positions (as any player seeded 5-8 can meet the number 1 or number 2 seed in the quarterfinals, see Australian Open 2009 - 6 Simon vs 1 Nadal - or Australian Open 2010 - 5 Murray vs 2 Nadal and 6 Davydenko vs 1 Federer).
when you made the adjusted wimby seeds you have to count points for all of them,because one could end up in a different seed bracket and from no.9 go to no.8 which will change his draw dramaticaly.

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when you made the adjusted wimby seeds you have to count points for all of them,because one could end up in a different seed bracket and from no.9 go to no.8 which will change his draw dramaticaly.
What exactly did switching Nadal and Federer achieve? If moving someone in the same bracket (1-2, 3-4, 5-8 etc) is pointless then they should only move someone if they move into a different bracket regardless of which forumla is used.
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