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What happened to the big 4?

Djokovic and Murray are playing like 15-20 players. They can lose to anyone. Malisse and Fish??

Nadal and Federer never seem to play their best at the same time.

When will they all 4 play the best again? When was the last time?

Murray and Djokovic, what happened to those two?

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

It's always nice to see other players winning besides the usual suspects but I'm definitely feeling a flatness and lack of motivation from the top guys - especially Murray and Djokovic. I really would like to see them find some form for Wimbledon.

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

All players go into a slump at some time, and I guess all these guys are doing it at the same time Except for Nadal of course, but he's not playing very well either.

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

There is no big four.

It was an illusion.
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Re: What happened to the big 4?

federer just has not been the same player ever since he won the Aus Open this year, however having said that, I believe he will rebound strongly at Wimbledon, I expect to see him in the SF or F, anything less than a SF would be a shock to me.

nadal is on a confidence high right now, I think only Federer could stop him at Wimbledon, or maybe Roddick, but only if he has one of those awesome serving days.

murray and djokovic, i am disappointed in how these two have been playing these last few months, i thought they were going to step things up and challenge federer and nadal, instead they end up losing to lower ranked players consistently.

djokovic losing to melzer at FO was a HUGE shock, and all his allergies, breathing problems, crappy serve, total loss of confidence, there are just too many issues with that guy, i think he just needs a match against federer or nadal to get his confidence back (even if he loses), but the problem is he always loses the round before he gets the chance to meet either (e.g. Fed at AO SF, and Rafa at FO SF)...he always plays his best against nadal.

murray, i think is still mentally shattered by the AO final loss, and he can just lose to any guy who gets hot on the day (soderling at IW, berdych at FO, fish at Miami/Queens).

i do not think it is Big 4 by the way, only Big 2 (federer/nadal).

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

I think Nadal and Federer have shown that there are just the big 2.

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

Fed is brilliant on grass.

The rest of the ATP tour are just average on grass.
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Re: What happened to the big 4?

Murray and Djokovic are in a major slump

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

I agree that it only really makes sense to talk about the 'big 2' as opposed to the 'big 4'. They may have a few shocking losses in early rounds in various tournaments, and perhaps some of these losses may be in relatively quick succession, but so long as they continue to dominate the rankings their position will still be assured.
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Re: What happened to the big 4?

Makes Wimbledon more interesting. I hope my faves draw into Murray's quarter

Ernests Gulbis. Robin Soderling. Tomas Berdych.

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

I predict that if Muzz and Nole keep playing bad, the top 4 next year will be Rafa, Fed, Soderling and Del Potro.

Ernests Gulbis. Robin Soderling. Tomas Berdych.

Del Potro ~ Tsonga ~ Simon ~ Chardy ~ Verdasco ~ Djokovic ~ Gasquet

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

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Makes Wimbledon more interesting. I hope my faves draw into Murray's quarter
Lets hope Sod gets Nole at his 1/4 and not Fed or Rafa anyway Only 30 points behind Kolya and 400 points behind Murray

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

It's interesting because by the end of last season, we were talking about having a Top 6 or perhaps even Top 7, also comprised of Del Potro (on the heels of his USO victory with wins over Nadal and Federer), Davydenko (on the heels of his TMC victory with wins over Nadal, Federer, and Del Potro), and Soderling (on the heels of his RG F and continued success over top players like Nadal).

After the Australian Open this January, Federer, Murray, and Djokovic have all been in major slumps. For Djokovic in particular, it's a slump that's been ongoing for a couple of years now. Nadal has been the player to single-handedly carry the tour since the Aussie, with his improved play and consistent results at the hardcourt TMSes and his dominant play on clay. Both Del Potro and Davydenko could have stepped in and helped to fill the void left by Federer, Murray, and Djokovic, if not for their sidelining injuries. It's a shame. So now what we're left with is Nadal and a bunch of top players in shit form or injured. The WTA has been similar for the last couple of years with the top players performing like crap at all the events outside the Slams, and often at the Slams as well. Both the WTA and ATP are a bit of a shit-show.

I hope JMDP and ND can make swift comebacks, as unlikely as that is, to reassert their authority. Both men are so much more aggressive and offensive-minded than meek pushers Murray and Djokovic and thus we need them back at the top and in the conversation!

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Re: What happened to the big 4?

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