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Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

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Rafael Nadal, who will be the new world No 1 if he wins the French Open final today, has tried to incorporate aspects of Andy Murray's service action into his game.

His coach since childhood, his uncle Toni, explained for the first time how the player bidding this afternoon to win his fifth French Open title in six years - and seventh major title in total - has studied tapes of the British No 1.

'Murray has a good, easy action,' said Toni, ahead of the final against Sweden's Robin Soderling.'I see something in his style that I like, especially the way he moves his wrist at the point of impact.'

But the Nadals have had problems replicating Murray's motion. While Rafa plays tennis left-handed, he is naturally right-handed and has found it hard to be consistent when he tries to serve like the Scot, who will be joined by the Spaniard in the top half of the draw in London this week when the British No 1 defends his Aegon title at Queen's Club.

'One day, Rafa is good with this serve, the next he is not so good!' said Toni, whose nephew has made the final without losing a set. 'It is hard for him to get that twist with his left wrist.'

Even though Murray squandered an opportunity to progress deep into the second week of the French Open, with a troubled performance against Tomas Berdych last Sunday, the Nadals fully expect the 23-year-old Briton to be a serious contender at Queen's and then at Wimbledon.

'Murray is getting better every year and he will be one of the strong favourites at Wimbledon,' said Toni. 'For us, Wimbledon is the No 1 tournament in the world and it hurt very much for us not to be able to play there last year. To be coming back means everything.'

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Murray has a low 1st serve %, and a below average 2nd. I just don't get this Nadal.
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Murray has a low 1st serve %, and a below average 2nd. I just don't get this Nadal.
anything is better than the mug serve he has now.
although i must say it has improved the past few months.

nadal served 7 aces and soderling served 7 aces in the final.
his serve was crucial in big moments in the final.

yes i think murray serve would be good and also federer serve to imitate.
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anything also federer serve to imitate.
Yeah, i think every player should do that. (What the heck is this skype thing? It wants to call the number when i want to edit the post, lol)
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Murray has a low 1st serve %, and a below average 2nd. I just don't get this Nadal.
Until I saw the quotes from his camp I assumed it was rubbish too.

I would guess it's just the 1st serve he's trying to take elements of,his 2nd is IMO more effective by far.Murray's 1st serve is one of the most impressive looking shots when on,that isn't actually all that good.

By the sound of this bit he's already copying elements of Murray's serve well-

"One day, Rafa is good with this serve, the next he is not so good!'

If Murray had Rafa's focus and intensity his 1st serve might be better than Rafa's.He would still have a lower 1st serve% but without the massive dips he currently has.Just the shot itself not his success including subsequent rally.
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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

Nadal's serve is overall better than Murray's IMO.
Sure, Murray's 1st serves is much better, but it doesn't matter if he only puts it in less than 50% and he almost never puts his 1st serves in in the big points, unlike Nadal.
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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

There is another article on it here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle7144937.ece
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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

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Nadal's serve is overall better than Murray's IMO.
Sure, Murray's 1st serves is much better, but it doesn't matter if he only puts it in less than 50% and he almost never puts his 1st serves in in the big points, unlike Nadal.
No. Nadal rolls it in a lot of the time. The best serves are the ones that get cheap points. On grass last year, Murray was serving great bar the Wawrinka match.

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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

Nadal probably wants to generate more pace by copying some elements of Murray's serve.

Murray can generate huge pace at times.

Problem is that he serves so flat, that's what creates the difficulties with the second delivery. Suddenly he has to serve differently. Also destroyes his first serve percentage most of the time.

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lol, who will beat him? Wawrinka? Berdych? Gulbis? Rosol? Federer?

Only Del Potro can take him out before the semis, and he won't. Nadal is winning the AO, bet your house on it.
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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

Hmmm....Murray is a strange choice in my opinion.

Perhaps its the Spanish connection as they've known Murray for a long time?

Lopez called it correctly, Murray hits the ball too flat on the 1st serve, anything flat can never be a reliable delivery - never.

And as for the 2nd serve, I wouldn't touch Murray's with a barge pole - a very average 2nd serve delivery in the top 10 due to constant lack of pace and the fact its easily attackable and often drops in the middle of the box.

Does anyone remember Wimbledon 2008?

During a match against Haas in the 3rd rd, the analyst Jason Goody showed videos that Murray was attempting to replicate the Sampras serve, they showed videos of both men.

Co-commentator McEnroe said immediatley afterwards, "what about Murray's 2nd serve? that's the serve he should really be working on". Sampras had one of the best in the business so Murray should have been working on getting his 2nd serves deep if it is going to be relatively slow.

Anyway, back to Nadal. At least he's willing to look at other contemporary players - that's a good sign.
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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

I have to be slightly worried when I read this sort of stuff.

Nole has tried to change his serve recently and it's been a complete disaster.

Murrays first serve when it's in is a exceptional weapon but he dips under 50% in most of his matches of late. As people have said Murrays 2nd serve is the worst of the big boys by miles. How would trying to learn a new action for 1st serves and then reverting back to your own 2nd serve style work? I have no idea.

Rafa is back. Unless he's thinking he can't play long term unless he starts to shorten points I'm mystified has to why he would change his serving action.
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I have to be slightly worried when I read this sort of stuff.

Nole has tried to change his serve recently and it's been a complete disaster.

Murrays first serve when it's in is a exceptional weapon but he dips under 50% in most of his matches of late. As people have said Murrays 2nd serve is the worst of the big boys by miles. How would trying to learn a new action for 1st serves and then reverting back to your own 2nd serve style work? I have no idea.

Rafa is back. Unless he's thinking he can't play long term unless he starts to shorten points I'm mystified has to why he would change his serving action.
no rafa needs to get a bigger serve that gets aces or service winners.
especially in faster courts he needs it.

he doesnt go for the corners, its always a few inches away from the corners which gives his opponents the time to return it.
his fastest serve is around 200km/h, he needs to get that up tp 210km/h and be more accurate with it by going for the corners bit more often rather than middle of the box.

he needs to increase his average 1st serve speed aswell as his average 2nd serve speed.

his serve is the worst out of the top 10.
he has to work so hard on his service games, now how is he going to do that when he becomes a bit older and his running speed slows down.
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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

Rafa needs a bigger serve for sure, he has to work his butt off in his service games, needs to get a serve that will get him some more cheap points, especially if he is to win the one major that still eludes him to this day: US Open.

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Re: Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

Rafa is already thinking about the hard court season.

If he can serve bigger (which he can, I've seen him hit 130+ mphs on occasion), then he'll get some cheap points on a hard court, which would really help him avoid the long rallies that are shredding his body.

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Out of all people they want to copy Murrays serve

Sometimes I wonder if Uncle Toni and Rafa release these statements just to have a laugh the next morning when they appear in the papers.

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Out of all people they want to copy Murrays serve

Sometimes I wonder if Uncle Toni and Rafa release these statements just to have a laugh the next morning when they appear in the papers.
oh so u federer fans want nadal to follow ur golden boy federina at everything?

how dare nadal copy anything that is not from the ballet dancer.

how dare he even disrespect the immortal one by copying a mug like murray.

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