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Nadal`s genius on the battlefield : analysis

he has lost 6 matches on clay in the last 6 years. his dominance is likely to continue on clay for at least 3 more years if he can stay healthy and relatively fit. he is the fastest to 7 majors. he has 18 masters shields and he snatched them before his 24th birthday. that has never been done before. and so on.

here is why he dominates on clay and damn near everywhere else when he is healthy and fit:

1. topspin cyclones of death that never end. his sky high margins allow him to enjoy ridiculous consistency that is unparalleled on the tour.

2. movement. some of his amazing speed is gone but he still moves like a cat on the court. he is still the best mover on the planet.

3. relentless will. this is perhaps the most important variable for his domination. he wills himself matches on the grandest of stages time and again. the guy is a big game hunter.

4. drive. he is driven like some of the other all time greats: connors, johhny mac, borg, lendl, vilas, muster, sampras, and fed. these guys never knew the meaning of the word "quit". i would put him in the same class as muster. it seems that, at times, nothing is going to stop nadal from taking whatever the hell he rests his eyes on.


and now the big question: if you could devise a game to stop him on clay, what would that game be? what tactics would work? can he actually be stopped if he is healthy and fit on clay in a best of 5 sets foremat?

the floor is yours. have at it. all thoughts and comments are welcome.


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Del potro will end it next season.

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But he lost 23 times against you.
's right. We have to also throw into the mix. But I do not think it is currently the decisive factor. But he has achieved in my opinion too much. Maybe this is crucial if I move him even closer after major victories. But 14 or 17 Grand Slam titles is a significant difference. At the present time there is no question that he must be the greater player than me.

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Stop it, we have a thread on this.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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He's the best and happens to be miles above the rest of the circuit on clay.

As most have pointed out, the only conceivable game plan would be to execute high-risk game playing flat, hard and deep to the angles (if possible taking the ball early, on the rise) and hope that you're in one of those bright days in which your shots go in. If a decent player does that, he might have a shot at beating Rafa on clay, albeit a small one.

Like the poster above, I also think Del Potro probably has the best opportunity given the way he plays.

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Del Potro is the best candidate to stop Nadal on clay, agressive game, huge forehand, strong mental, excellent backhand and big serve are the solution against Nadal on clay
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what is nadal's current 5-set record on clay?
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Del Potro is the best candidate to stop Nadal on clay, agressive game, huge forehand, strong mental, excellent backhand and big serve are the solution against Nadal on clay
isnt that what soderling has?
and he got taken to school in the final.

a fit and healthy nadal is a tough nut to crack.
his defensive skills are extraordinary even for big hitters to penetrate.
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what is nadal's current 5-set record on clay?
something like 55-1.

he would not have lost last year if it was not for his own madness and stupidity.

1. he needed to skip his match against djokovic in madrid. he told his team that he was in tremendous pain and he went out and played a 4+ hours match with djokovic.

2. he should have walked away from his match against d-pot in miami. his team was extremely worried about him. he was having a lot of knee issues and was in grea deal of pain. so he goes out and play anyway.

3. he should have skipped rotterdam in 2009.

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Stop it, we have a thread on this.
is that the extent of your contribution?

i expect more from you old friend.

now lets have your views. can you devise a way to stop nadal on clay?

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Rafa! Rafa! Rafa!

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Robin's gameplan yesterday + more confidence - the bad serving - the over-hitting on important points + actual conversion of break point opportunities = a way to beat Rafa.

Hopefully Delpo can do a better job next year.

Anyway, I'm sick of all these Rafa clay posts. Clay season is finally over, so let's all move on and wait until next season to suffer through it again.

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mimi i take it that you apporve of this thread and the important question that is being asked.

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is that the extent of your contribution?

i expect more from you old friend.

now lets have your views. can you devise a way to stop nadal on clay?
Read the 2 other threads that have discussed this issue to death.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Robin's gameplan yesterday + more confidence - the bad serving - the over-hitting on important points + actual conversion of break point opportunities = a way to beat Rafa.

Hopefully Delpo can do a better job next year.

Anyway, I'm sick of all these Rafa clay posts. Clay season is finally over, so let's all move on and wait until next season to suffer through it again.




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The only solution?

Take it like a man.

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