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Open-Era Slams: *RAFA 4th [>Agassi, Borg, Sampras..]~?

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OPEN ERA SLAMS WON
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*16 slams: Federer [4x AO, 1x FO, 6x Wimby, 5x USO]
*14 slams: Sampras [2x AO, 7x Wimby, 5x USO]
*11 slams: Borg [6x FO, 5x Wimby]
*9 slams: Nadal [1x AO, 5x FO, 2x Wimby, 1x USO]
*8 slams: Agassi [4x AO, 1x FO, 1x Wimby, 2x USO]
*8 slams: Lendl [2x AO, 3x FO, 3x USO]
*8 slams: Connors [1x AO, 2x Wimby, 5x USO]
*7 slams: Wilander [3x AO, 3x FO, 1x USO]
*7 slams: McEnroe [3x Wimby, 4x USO]
*6 slams: Edberg [2x AO, 2x Wimby, 2x USO]
*6 slams: Becker [2x AO, 3x Wimby, 1x USO]
*5 slams: Laver [1x AO, 1x FO, 2x Wimby, 1x USO].#also won 6 slams in pre-Open Era!
*5 slams: Newcombe [2x AO, 2x Wimby, 1x USO].#also won 2 slams in pre-Open Era!
*4 slams: Rosewall [2x AO, 1x FO, 1x USO].#also won 4 slams in pre-Open Era!
*4 slams: Vilas [2x AO, 1x FO, 1x USO]
*4 slams: Courier [2x AO, 2x FO]
*3 slams: Kuerten [3x FO]

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Re: Open-Era Slams: *RAFA up to equal 7th [better than McEnroe & Wilander?]

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OPEN ERA SLAMS WON
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*16 slams: Federer [4x AO, 1x FO, 6x Wimby, 5x USO]
*14 slams: Sampras [2x AO, 7x Wimby, 5x USO]
*11 slams: Borg [6x FO, 5x Wimby]
*8 slams: Agassi [4x AO, 1x FO, 1x Wimby, 2x USO]
*8 slams: Lendl [2x AO, 3x FO, 3x USO]
*8 slams: Connors [1x AO, 2x Wimby, 5x USO]
*7 slams: Nadal [1x AO, 5x FO, 1x Wimby]
*7 slams: Wilander [3x AO, 3x FO, 1x USO]
*7 slams: McEnroe [3x Wimby, 4x USO]
*6 slams: Edberg [2x AO, 2x Wimby, 2x USO]
*6 slams: Becker [2x AO, 3x Wimby, 1x USO]
*5 slams: Laver [1x AO, 1x FO, 2x Wimby, 1x USO].#also won 6 slams in pre-Open Era!
*5 slams: Newcombe [2x AO, 2x Wimby, 1x USO].#also won 2 slams in pre-Open Era!
*4 slams: Rosewall [2x AO, 1x FO, 1x USO].#also won 4 slams in pre-Open Era!
*4 slams: Vilas [2x AO, 1x FO, 1x USO]
*4 slams: Courier [2x AO, 2x FO]
*3 slams: Kuerten [3x FO]

Interesting stats.

It's also nice to see when and where will rafa get to the likes of agassi,connors and lendl as 8-GS winners...

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Re: Open-Era Slams: *RAFA up to equal 7th [better than McEnroe & Wilander?]

Yeah.. Ivan and Andre are my two favorite players from past and its really fantastic to have Rafa so close to them,at the age of just 24

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Re: Open-Era Slams: *RAFA up to equal 7th [better than McEnroe & Wilander?]

I'd say Nadal hasn't passed McEnroe yet. Wilander, perhaps. Becker, definitely. Edberg, perhaps.

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I'd say Nadal hasn't passed McEnroe yet.
No, & nor is it close. Wilander & Becker, probably, yes.

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Re: Open-Era Slams: *RAFA up to equal 7th [better than McEnroe & Wilander?]

Very interesting thread. He's got a ways to go to match McEnroe but he'll be truly level with Wilander perhaps this year.
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Re: Open-Era Slams: *RAFA up to equal 7th [better than McEnroe & Wilander?]

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I'd say Nadal hasn't passed McEnroe yet. Wilander, perhaps. Becker, definitely. Edberg, perhaps.

I agree about McEnroe but clearly Nadal has passed Becker, Edberg and Wilander.

What did Wilander do to be ahead of Rafa?

Nadal has more weeks as a #1, more titles (olympic gold and Wimbledon), majors on all possible surfaces, he regained #1 unlike Wilander. No need to mention his clay greatness or his 1.000.000 records.

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I agree about McEnroe but clearly Nadal has passed Becker, Edberg and Wilander.

What did Wilander do to be ahead of Rafa?

Nadal has more weeks as a #1, more titles (olympic gold and Wimbledon), majors on all possible surfaces, he regained #1 unlike Wilander. No need to mention his clay greatness or his 1.000.000 records.
Nadal has 5 RG out of his 7 GSs, so predominantly clay. That's why Wilander's 7 Slams are more impressive.

Wilander also has GS on all surfaces plus he had a year where he won 3/4 Grand Slams. He also has a Wimbledon doubles title.

Edberg also has 6 GS in singles with 2 in AO/USO/W and a RG final with a few QFs. He also has 3 doubles GS titles and was ranked nr1 in both doubles and singles. He also won the Olympics "showcase" event in 1984. Still, Olympics is such a new addition to open era tennis, it isn't fair to compare that achievement when estimating the greatness of past players.

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lol, who will beat him? Wawrinka? Berdych? Gulbis? Rosol? Federer?

Only Del Potro can take him out before the semis, and he won't. Nadal is winning the AO, bet your house on it.
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Re: Open-Era Slams: *RAFA up to equal 7th [better than McEnroe & Wilander?]

Above Becker and Edberg, no doubt.

Above Wilander, arguably.

Above McEnroe, not yet, but he's getting there.

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At the risk of M4RC giving me the 'mark of the hatas' or whatever I have to say that the fact that this Nadal has so many Grand Slams speaks volumes about the muggginess of this era.
For sure.. not as strongest era as before but event then its not easy to be 3rd fastest player with 7 Grand Slam titles and (I think) 4th youngest with 40 ATP crowns.. after all,he beaten best and most complete player of this generation so many times in such a big occasions

Rafa deserved all this with his work and attitude for the game. He is the true tennis champion

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Re: Open-Era Slams: *RAFA up to equal 7th [better than McEnroe & Wilander?]

nadal is clearly ahead of becker and edberg.
nadal is just ahead of wilander.
nadal is bit behind mcenroe.

what my criteria is:
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- slam finals
- slam semifinals
- winning slams on all surfaces
- total weeks at #1
- consecutive weeks at #1
- years at year-end #1
- dominating a surface
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Wilander also has GS on all surfaces plus he had a year where he won 3/4 Grand Slams. He also has a Wimbledon doubles title.
Nadal held 3 GS at the same time on 3 different surfaces + olympics gold was as impressive
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Above Becker and Edberg, no doubt.

Above Wilander, arguably.

Above McEnroe, not yet, but he's getting there.
Should someone win 10 GSs on the same surface, would they be over Agassi or Lendl for example? IMO no since variety is important. Nadal does have other titles than the French but 5/7 is a pretty large fraction.

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i think his dominant h2h with federer in his prime years says a lot about how much better he is than Jmac and Mats
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i think his dominant h2h with federer in his prime years says a lot about how much better he is than Jmac and Mats
Not sure.. of course,it was great to beat Federer so many times but Mats and John played against a lot of great players,not just one (even he is the greatest)

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