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Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

I don't know, a day after the RG final I'm still struggling to get my head around the bizarre reversal of fate that seems to follow Federer and Nadal. In 07 for instance Rafa lost in the final of Hamburg to Roger, losing his clay court streak, and went on to lose a heart breaking 5 set Wimbledon final. Exactly a year later Nadal beats Federer in the Hamburg final, then Federer suffers a heart breaking 5 set loss in the Wimbledon final and his grass court streak is snapped. In both cases these events pretty much decided the #1 spot.

This time around the parallels are even more amazing. Rafa goes into Madrid 09 as the clear world #1 and holder of RG, Wimbledon and the Oz Open, loses to Federer in the final, proceeds to lose to Soderling mid way through the French, who then goes down meekly to Federer in the final handing him his career Slam and the eventual #1 ranking. A year later Federer goes into Madrid as the clear world #1 and holder of RG, Wimbledon and the Oz Open, loses to Nadal in the final, proceeds to lose to Soderling mid way through the French, who then goes down meekly to Nadal in the final handing him a 5th crown, the #1 ranking and denying Federer the weeks at #1 record.

As silly as it sounds it almost seems that some things in tennis are just "meant" to happen. Or maybe to put it more logically... what goes around comes around for everyone... eventually. As a Nadal fan those two losses at Wimbledon 07 and RG 09 ultimately served to make the victories the following years more satisfying, and for Federer fans I'm sure the reverse is true, they appreciate the earlier victories more because of how things panned out. Can anyone think of similar examples in the past of things like this occuring?

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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

I see that you're feeling rather loquacious after months of self-imposed exile. Brava.
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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

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It's true I was absent for a lot of last year, but I've actually been fairly active again since january, maybe you've been looking in the wrong places

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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

I get it: you feel emboldened by Nadal's clay dominance.
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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

I don't deny it, gotta make my most of my two months a year But I've been here for several years now, I'm certainly used to the dry spells.

Anyway, I'm surprised you don't have anything to say on the actual topic.

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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

Neither. The ultimate determinant of success or failure is form, which tends to vary from one period of time to the next.
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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

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I don't know, a day after the RG final I'm still struggling to get my head around the bizarre reversal of fate that seems to follow Federer and Nadal. In 07 for instance Rafa lost in the final of Hamburg to Roger, losing his clay court streak, and went on to lose a heart breaking 5 set Wimbledon final. Exactly a year later Nadal beats Federer in the Hamburg final, then Federer suffers a heart breaking 5 set loss in the Wimbledon final and his grass court streak is snapped. In both cases these events pretty much decided the #1 spot.

This time around the parallels are even more amazing. Rafa goes into Madrid 09 as the clear world #1 and holder of RG, Wimbledon and the Oz Open, loses to Federer in the final, proceeds to lose to Soderling mid way through the French, who then goes down meekly to Federer in the final handing him his career Slam and the eventual #1 ranking. A year later Federer goes into Madrid as the clear world #1 and holder of RG, Wimbledon and the Oz Open, loses to Nadal in the final, proceeds to lose to Soderling mid way through the French, who then goes down meekly to Nadal in the final handing him a 5th crown, the #1 ranking and denying Federer the weeks at #1 record.

As silly as it sounds it almost seems that some things in tennis are just "meant" to happen. Or maybe to put it more logically... what goes around comes around for everyone... eventually. As a Nadal fan those two losses at Wimbledon 07 and RG 09 ultimately served to make the victories the following years more satisfying, and for Federer fans I'm sure the reverse is true, they appreciate the earlier victories more because of how things panned out. Can anyone think of similar examples in the past of things like this occuring?


As for how I feel about it.... The back in forth between them confirms them to be the best two of this era. Simple as that to me.

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I get it: you feel emboldened by Nadal's clay dominance.
Don't you with 16>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7? Fed fans have supreme rope enough to be smug.
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Federer winning RG '09 was destiny. You can only lose so many times in the final before luck finally turns your way.

The same can be said I think for Nadal in Wimb '08 and Goran Wimb '01. Perhaps to some extent Johnny Mac's '81 Wimb as well.
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Anyway, I'm surprised you don't have anything to say on the actual topic.
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The reversals between Federer and Nadal are not that astonishing but I think the most surprising aspect of the whole thing is the role of Soderling as the spoiler.

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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

It's not coincidence or fate, it's just winning or losing.
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The reversals between Federer and Nadal are not that astonishing but I think the most surprising aspect of the whole thing is the role of Soderling as the spoiler.
Excellent point and thanks for the interesting thread rafa_maniac.

Sampras winning the US Open in his last pro event against his biggest rival, it seems to neat to be true.

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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

very interesting and something i never really realised until i read this thread, nice work rafa_maniac , just goes to prove that these 2 are clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

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"Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?"
If fate exists, it intervenes in all of our lives, therefore in tennis too.
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Re: Does fate exist in tennis or is it all coincidence?

Fate is as real in tennis as in our general lives, i.e. not at all.

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