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Players Who've Made the Semis at All 4 Slams.

I thought it might be interesting to see which players have managed to reach the semi-finals or better at all 4 slams in the Open Era. Who knows, Murray may join their ranks next week? As you might expect, they're a pretty select bunch. The players are, in rough chronological order:

Rod Laver
Ken Rosewall
Tony Roche
Tom Okker
Jimmy Connors
Vitas Gerulaitis
John McEnroe
Ivan Lendl
Stefan Edberg
Miloslav Mecir
Boris Becker
Andre Agassi
Pete Sampras
Michael Stich
Jim Courier
Patrick Rafter
Marat Safin
Roger Federer
David Nalbandian
Rafael Nadal
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray.

That's 22 players, fewer than the number of players who have reached the top ranking. The most glaring absentee is Borg, who played in Australia once when he was about 17. Wilander (crap at Wimbledon), Vilas (ditto), Nastase (hardly played Australia), Newcombe (crap at R.G.), Roddick (ditto), Ashe (ditto), Hewitt (ditto) are other notable absentees. Of those who did make it, only Roche, Okker, Mecir, Nalbandian & Murray (so far) have failed to win a slam, & Roche won R.G. before the Open Era. Only 8 of the players have made the final of every slam:

Rod Laver
Ken Rosewall
Ivan Lendl
Stefan Edberg
Jim Courier
Andre Agassi
Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal.

That really is a select bunch. I find it particularly impressive that Laver & Rosewall managed it despite being 29 & 30-something when the Open Era started & failing to play in every slam even after it did.

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Re: Players Who've Made the Semis at All 4 Slams.

Very interesting thread.

Certainly a chance that Murray joins that list for SF of all Slams...has a makeable draw this week. Wouldn't be absolutely shocked if he somehow makes the final either (Fed IS beatable by good defence on clay). In which case, all he'd need is a Wimbledon final (has an outside chance of that over the next few years) and he, too, could join that 'all surfaces' list.

But as for winning that elusive final match...
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Nice list, mate!

I wouldn't call Wilander crap at Wimbledon, though. He reached 3 straight QF. But I guess for his standards it wasn't great. He just happened to run into tough grass competitiors such as Cash, McEnroe and Mecir.
Wilander won two AO's on grass BTW.

Highly interesting that "only" five players have reached all 4 GS finals in the last 40 years or so... Borg would of course have joined that list if AO have had any kind of status back then.

Of today's active players it's hard to see anyone, other than Nadal, be able to reach all GS finals. Maybe Delpo if he gets his body together and finds some kind of grass game. Djoker and Murray has outside chances.

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I think Grosjean was close to getting there

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Re: Players Who've Made the Semis at All 4 Slams.

Jim Courier also made all 4 finals in 1991-1993. Moreover, he was the youngest to do this by almost 2 years (wasn't even 23 yet).

For the semifinals, it is interesting that Djokovic was the youngest to reach all 4 semis by no less than 1.5 year (he was 20). He was/is really hugely talented. Nadal is the next youngest at 22.

Krajicek was very close with 3 US Open quarters...
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Of today's active players it's hard to see anyone, other than Nadal, be able to reach all GS finals. Maybe Delpo if he gets his body together and finds some kind of grass game. Djoker and Murray has outside chances.
It's very, very uncommon. I don't think any of the above will reach the finals of all 4.

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Jim Courier also made all 4 finals in 1991-1993. Moreover, he was the youngest to do this by almost 2 years (wasn't even 23 yet).

For the semifinals, it is interesting that Djokovic was the youngest to reach all 4 semis by no less than 1.5 year (he was 20). He was/is really hugely talented. Nadal is the next youngest at 22.

Krajicek was very close with 3 US Open quarters...
Yup. Courier had some sick years really. Agassi would've made that feat at 22, though, if he'd played AO (had all other three F). Something he didn't do until he was 24, and of course won it.

Borg had reached finals of RG, Wimby and US Open at 20.

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Quality thread.

This reminds me of something Federer said a few fays ago. Quite surprisingly, he thinks his 23-consecutive SF in GS is his most important record. Not the number of GS as some might be tempted to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zO1_h17tI
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Quality thread.

This reminds me of something Federer said a few fays ago. Quite surprisingly, he thinks his 23-consecutive SF in GS is his most important record. Not the number of GS as some might be tempted to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zO1_h17tI
Nice to hear. In terms of hardest to break by someone else, I would personally vote for the 18/19. Though it has the disadvantage of being a little more of a far-fetched record compared to the 23 straight.
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nalbandian should have a slam... sigh..
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It's very, very uncommon. I don't think any of the above will reach the finals of all 4.
Nadal could, but he has to do the USO within the next two runs. I doubt Djokovic or Del Potro ever reaches a Wimbledon final, and similarly for Murray at RG. If they all do though, that would generate more fuel for the 'weak' era arguments...

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Jim Courier also made all 4 finals in 1991-1993. Moreover, he was the youngest to do this by almost 2 years (wasn't even 23 yet).

For the semifinals, it is interesting that Djokovic was the youngest to reach all 4 semis by no less than 1.5 year (he was 20). He was/is really hugely talented. Nadal is the next youngest at 22.

Krajicek was very close with 3 US Open quarters...
Courier really flamed out, if had a higher success rate in close GS matches he really could have racked up the titles. I had no idea Krajicek ever made the RG semis, wow.

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nalbandian should have a slam... sigh..
USO 2003, AO 2006, or RG 2006. But he does not because he simply was not good enough when it coutned.
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Nadal could, but he has to do the USO within the next two runs.
Interesting stat, out of all the slam winners with more than 2 slams, only two have failed to reach a Final at the USO, Kuerten and Nadal. I think Nadal is better than Kuerten, but I don't think he can fill Borg's shoes, so I don't think he'll reach the USO final.

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I doubt Djokovic or Del Potro ever reaches a Wimbledon final, and similarly for Murray at RG. If they all do though, that would generate more fuel for the 'weak' era arguments...
You want to see a weak era, look at Keurten's era. Agassi was still dominating. That should tell you everything you need to know. Federer's era actually did respectably well, while it is too early to tell how Nadal's era will do. On average, the players are only 23-27 in Nadal's era, and their time of domination should be now, with an average of 25. So far Nadal's Era has earned 7 slams, (6 for Nadal, and 1 for Djokovic). Del Potro's generation has won 1.

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Interesting stat, out of all the slam winners with more than 2 slams, only two have failed to reach a Final at the USO, Kuerten and Nadal. I think Nadal is better than Kuerten, but I don't think he can fill Borg's shoes, so I don't think he'll reach the USO final.
He has only been one win short two years in a row. Yes, he was squashed by Del Potro but the Murray match was not as one-sided as people seem to believe. I am not saying it is definitely going to happen, but it is not THAT unlikely. IMO Nadal is not at Borg's level, he is (hopefully) going to end up on the 2nd tier of elite players with Agassi, Lendl, Connors, etc.


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You want to see a weak era, look at Keurten's era. Agassi was still dominating. That should tell you everything you need to know. Federer's era actually did respectably well, while it is too early to tell how Nadal's era will do. On average, the players are only 23-27 in Nadal's era, and their time of domination should be now, with an average of 25. So far Nadal's Era has earned 7 slams, (6 for Nadal, and 1 for Djokovic). Del Potro's generation has won 1.
I am not saying I buy into the weak era arguments. I think Federer and Nadal are absolutely terrific. All I am saying is that if only 6 guys in the last 40 years had done it (reached finals of every slam), and then suddenly 3 more in the same generation (Murray, Djokovic, Del Potro) it would really make one analyze how top-heavy this era really is. Or rather, how sadly homogenized.
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Re: Players Who've Made the Semis at All 4 Slams.

Thanks Sophocles, for this great and interesting list...and everyone for their excellent posts.

To me, the biggest surprises to make the list are Mecir and Nalbandian.
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Ferrero could join them with a miraculous Wimbledon run.

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