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Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

Gulbis, Del Potro, Cilic are from the new generation of tall, power baseline players.

In this thread: Compare how they are similar and how they differ from each other.
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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

From statistical point of view, tournaments played/tournaments won:

Gulbis - 71/1
Del Potro - 84/7
Cilic - 77/5

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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

Cilic doesn't play like Del Potro or Gulbis, he's less ballbasher-ish than them.

Cilic and Gulbis will come to the net and hit drop shots, whereas Del Potro mostly just smashes balls at the baseline. Del Potro has the best baseline game, as he hits hard, heavy and is more consistent.

Del Potro has a huge forehand and backhand and hits both with consistency, both Cilic and Gulbis are more backhand dominant.

Cilic has more variety than both Del Po and Gulbis.

Gulbis has the hardest second serve since he hits it like a first serve, but Del Potro has the best serve of the three because he hits it harder than Cilic, and smarter than Gulbis.

Gulbis moves better than Cilic and Del Potro.
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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Cilic doesn't play like Del Potro or Gulbis, he's less ballbasher-ish than them.

Cilic and Gulbis will come to the net and hit drop shots, whereas Del Potro mostly just smashes balls at the baseline. Del Potro has the best baseline game, as he hits hard, heavy and is more consistent.

Del Potro has a huge forehand and backhand and hits both with consistency, both Cilic and Gulbis are more backhand dominant.

Cilic has more variety than both Del Po and Gulbis.

Gulbis has the hardest second serve since he hits it like a first serve, but Del Potro has the best serve of the three because he hits it harder than Cilic, and smarter than Gulbis.

Gulbis moves better than Cilic and Del Potro.
Good analysis, I agree excluding two points:

- Cilic hits dropshots
- Cilic has more variety than other two

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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

^but Cilic does have more variety than the other two! I fully agree with that statement!
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^ Maybe more than Del Potro, IMO definitely not more than Gulbis.

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Good analysis, I agree excluding two points:

- Cilic hits dropshots
- Cilic has more variety than other two
I've seen Cilic use the drop shot quite a bit in matches, he definitely uses it, not a dramatic amount, but more than Del Potro. Obviously not on the same level as Gulbis, though.

Cilic definitely has more variety since he comes to net more, slices the backhand more, can hit slice or kick or flatten serves, can play more or less offensive depending on the opponent and how he is playing etc. Gulbis has a little bit of variety, and Del Potro has one basic style of play.
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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

Gulbis has the most variety by FAR, but is also the most basher-like, but he's not one dimensional.

Cilic strikes the ball well but doesn't possess much of a plan B. Some nice touch on him though. Better than Del Pony though.

Del Potro is the least talented. One dimensional basher who just whacks it down the middle- those praising him for his 'aggressive tennis' make me laugh, it's not like he's a risk taker Worst slam winner ever. Him or Faker. It's close.

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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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I've seen Cilic use the drop shot quite a bit in matches, he definitely uses it, not a dramatic amount, but more than Del Potro. Obviously not on the same level as Gulbis, though.

Cilic definitely has more variety since he comes to net more, slices the backhand more, can hit slice or kick or flatten serves, can play more or less offensive depending on the opponent and how he is playing etc. Gulbis has a little bit of variety, and Del Potro has one basic style of play.
Based on my observations, Cilic and Gulbis go to the net with similar frequency and use slices with similar frequency as well, Gulbis has more variety because of his great touch at playing drop-shots, especially from the backhand side. Dropshot is a weapon which IMO distinguishes Gulbis as a more varied player. Anyway these observations are always subjective, especially when consider players with - relatively - small experience (below 100 tournaments played).

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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

we can also say that Gulbis and Del Potro are more comfy on clay than Cilic. And maybe, Delpo's even more than Gulbis.

Also, Delpo has more touch than what you are making it seem. His drops, stop volleys (specially) and lobs are quite pleasant.
Thing is he already has a winning game, so he doesn't need that much variety, although he said repeated times that he wants to S&V more.

What about the mental level?

Delpo's mental strength is on a completely other level compared to the other 2. It can only be compared with vintage Nadal.
Gulbis mental part is getting better now thanks to Gumy
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What about the mental level?
Yes, that's interesting issue Analyzing career each of them I noticed that all were struggling mentally in tight situations in the first years of professional career. Del Potro and Cilic matured earlier than Gulbis, I've got an impression that they look older than the Latvian... I wrote on MTF a couple times that looking at scorelines last year, Del Potro was the strongest mentally player on the tour. Cilic has improved the mental department since the second part of last season, Gulbis did the same since last autumn when began working with Gumy.

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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

gulbis is the real deal out of those
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Gulbis is not the real deal. He is an inconsistent ballbasher. He never beat Nadal. Del Potro and Cilic have.
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Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Gulbis has the most variety by FAR, but is also the most basher-like, but he's not one dimensional.

Cilic strikes the ball well but doesn't possess much of a plan B. Some nice touch on him though. Better than Del Pony though.

Del Potro is the least talented. One dimensional basher who just whacks it down the middle- those praising him for his 'aggressive tennis' make me laugh, it's not like he's a risk taker Worst slam winner ever. Him or Faker. It's close.
this has to be one of the most biased and retarded comments i'v seen, especially coming from someone with an isner avatar LOL!

in terms of talent i think its gulbis, del potro, then cilic..
wacks it down the middle? not a risk taker? i wont even bother arguing with that bullshit.
as for worst slam winner, only player to beat rafa and federer in a slam.
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Cilic will come to the net

Gulbis has the hardest second serve since he hits it like a first serve, but Del Potro has the best serve of the three because he hits it harder than Cilic

Gulbis moves better than Cilic and Del Potro.
Rarely..one of his biggest weakness is thet he doesnt follow a good shot with a net approach...expecially after a good forehand...he needs to construct points over and over again on clay for example as good claycourters are able to moonball the heavy shot back...he wolud win 90% of those points if he follows the shot at the net like Isner for example..he is working on it with Goran..i think he can teach him some tricks with volleys

Hardest yeah but like you said its not second serve..Cilic have the best second serve which is connected with his low 1. serve %
Good kick and often near the line(small amount of DF-s with a risky serve like that)..so for me Gulbis have the best first serve and Cilic second serve...Pony is the most consistent server though

I think both Cilic and Pony move quite fast for their height just like Erno...cant see a big difference there to be honest
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