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Combining gym and competitive matches

How do the ATP players combine hitting the gym to build muscle/muscle strenghtening with playing matches on the tour?

If anyone here has some good insight it would be really nice to share, for example how much regeneration time do players want between working out and a match, and also which muscular groups in particular do players specifically not want to work on close to matches (how close exactly...?).

From own experience, I can say that you may lose quite some coordinative abilty after working out extensively.

So how do our pro's do it?

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Re: Combining gym and competitive matches

That is what the off season is for. They do most of their base training and then on tour it will be maintenance during tournament weeks and in non-tournament weeks there will be more physical training.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Re: Combining gym and competitive matches

this is very good. an actual legit question. me like!

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Well they are always going to need to do core stability exercises all year round, can't do anything with a shit or weak core.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Re: Combining gym and competitive matches

well their bodies are so used to being tested that I'd say their bodies would recover from a heavy workout within 48 hours. So if they had 3 days off they could do a workout day 1 and 2 and then have day 3 to recover.

from the looks of Baghdatis' and Murray's tweets, theyve been in the gym a lot lately, but then again theyve had a lot of time off recently

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well their bodies are so used to being tested that I'd say their bodies would recover from a heavy workout within 48 hours. So if they had 3 days off they could do a workout day 1 and 2 and then have day 3 to recover.

from the looks of Baghdatis' and Murray's tweets, theyve been in the gym a lot lately, but then again theyve had a lot of time off recently
Depends what you means by heavy workout. Well, running left and right and hitting the ball is completely different than lifting weight with proper form for reps. I 'll take it that you have never worked out.
It's obvious to me they don't workout during tournament, and have slight workout during weeks-off.
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Depends what you means by heavy workout. Well, running left and right and hitting the ball is completely different than lifting weight with proper form for reps. I 'll take it that you have never worked out.
It's obvious to me they don't workout during tournament, and have slight workout during weeks-off.
actually ive been working out for the past 4 years and im a qualified physiotherapist who plays tennis himself.

and no theyre not 'completely different' at all, considering both of them involve using your muscles to create power. I do strength training in the gym, which I imagine is what they do as well, low reps (5-8 per set). I can play a tennis match the next day with minimal pain. So even though they would be playing matches at a much higher level, their bodies are used to be strained and so they can recover quicker.

Also if you check Marcos Baghdatis' twitter account, you'll see that he tweets that he goes to the gym during tournaments, so the fact you think its 'obvioous' they dont work out during a tournament is wrong

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They do the heavy lifting in the off-season ,and during season unless an injury occurs, it's mostly maintance of the body. Gym training yes, but just to keep everything going. The base is always done before and after.
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actually ive been working out for the past 4 years and im a qualified physiotherapist who plays tennis himself.

and no theyre not 'completely different' at all, considering both of them involve using your muscles to create power. I do strength training in the gym, which I imagine is what they do as well, low reps (5-8 per set). I can play a tennis match the next day with minimal pain. So even though they would be playing matches at a much higher level, their bodies are used to be strained and so they can recover quicker.

Also if you check Marcos Baghdatis' twitter account, you'll see that he tweets that he goes to the gym during tournaments, so the fact you think its 'obvioous' they dont work out during a tournament is wrong
Well if you have minimal pain the day after your workout that means your workout wasn't very effective or that you take appropriate supplements (including doping).
And again i disagree about your point that a workout is similar to playing tennis, it's like saying a marathon man will do well in squat because he runs marathon.
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Re: Combining gym and competitive matches

What about when players go on long tears of winning and play a lot l in a short period, like Verdasco right now?

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What about when players go on long tears of winning and play a lot l in a short period, like Verdasco right now?
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They just man up?

Maybe the older guys, but as a runner I am qualifed to tell you you can't just do "base" at the beginning of the season and hold it..it tapers off during big tournaments yes, but you can't go weeks on end without fine tuning it at least.

I bet guys like Rafa and Federer (non beer gut version) just train every day. Between the ages of 18 and 25. recovery should be no real issue. They should be fit enough, and the best players are.

Obviously there not going to go and do a big workout on the day between a tough 5 set GS semi and a GS final, but you get my drift.

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Re: Combining gym and competitive matches

Ljubicic said now he does a lot more fitness work than he did in his 20s.

They aren't going to do 400kg squats and 3 hour workouts during tournament weeks, that is why they take time off to do more fitness works. During the tournaments, it's a lot of high reps and lighter weights, shorter recovery times in between sets.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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Re: Combining gym and competitive matches

It depends on the player and their situation. I'm sure Roddick is working his ass off towards Wimbledon and the hard court season as we speak, while the other top players on tour are grinding out the clay court season. When players were competing in February and mid-march, Nadal was probably doing a lot more extensive core training after the Australian Open injury.

I would think with your average pro that has to grind out the schedule all year round, all their workouts and conditioning occur in October-December. Their schedule is too taxing to demand those workouts during tournament events.
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They are always going to the gym. Like Jackson said, during tournaments they just use the weightlifting to recover.

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