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Is Federer the first number one to lose 3 tight matches in a row?

Voo del Mar raised this question in the Gulbis-Federer thread and it got me thinking too.

Does Federer have the honour of being the only number 1 whose last 3 losses have been in 3 tight sets?
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what a mug this guy is...

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He hasnt lost 3 matches in a row? Only two

You should change your title to lost three tight matches in three tournaments in a row
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it wasnt tight today, gulbis was controlling last two sets
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it wasnt tight today, gulbis was controlling last two sets
exactly

Anyway Voo de Mar gave an even more impressive streak : that he lost last 8 matches, I think, where at 5-5 in third final set.

Anyway it's like that : Federer likes records and streaks

He has won 22 or 23 finals in a row, I don't remember, played 22 semifinals in grands slams in a row, still holds the record for percentage of tiebreaks won including a tremendous one for tiebreaks won in grand slam final (and also great figures for tiebreaks played at 6-6 as Voo de Mar mentioned once).

He even has the record of cookie plates for being runner-up of every grand slam (not only winner)

He also likes wasting some records which are nearly given from time to time as he may do for the record number of weeks at number 1 and as he did against Canas in the past for Vilas's record streak of matches won, as he also may do for Agassi's record in MS1000 tournaments

Also for tiebreaks in grand slam finals, he won 80% of them but once he lost one, he lost two of them (against Del Potro in the US Open) the same for the streak of tiebreaks won : he lost it against Djokovic and lost two tiebreaks to lose Montreal that day ; once he lost to Canas to end his winning streak, he lost twice to the same one ... it all goes by streaks even when the previous one ends

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All lucky for those one dimensional opponents. Maybe Fed was injured. Maybe he was so wonderful that he tanked the match in order to bottle feed his crying babies.
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He also likes wasting some records which are nearly given from time to time as he may do for the record number of weeks at number 1 and as he did against Canas in the past for Vilas's record streak of matches won, as he also may do for Agassi's record in MS1000 tournaments

Also for tiebreaks in grand slam finals, he won 80% of them but once he lost one, he lost two of them (against Del Potro in the US Open) the same for the streak of tiebreaks won : he lost it against Djokovic and lost two tiebreaks to lose Montreal that day ; once he lost to Canas to end his winning streak, he lost twice to the same one ... it all goes by streaks even when the previous one ends
Poor Fed. If he wasn't peaking with the right draws & rain delays helping his schedule, his results would be like those of journeymen & you'd be a fan of someone else.
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Poor Fed. If he wasn't peaking with the right draws & rain delays helping his schedule, his results would be like those of journeymen & you'd be a fan of someone else.
he's often lucky (people overrate him actually, I totally agree with that ), sometimes unlucky, far from invincible as some people think, it makes it more fascinating in a way

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Voo del Mar raised this question in the Gulbis-Federer thread and it got me thinking too.

Does Federer have the honour of being the only number 1 whose last 3 losses have been in 3 tight sets?
No (to be precise: three *tight defeats* in three consecutive tournaments, not three matches in a row). I've just checked Sampras who being No. 1 in the world first few months (year 1993), lost in three consecutive tournaments after a tie-break of the third set:

Los Angeles SF: Krajicek 4-6 6-3 6-7(3)
Cincinnati SF: Edberg 7-6(3) 5-7 6-7(5)
Indianapolis QF: Rafter 6-7(6) 7-6(2) 6-7(5)

* As a tight defeat I consider a match where a player who lost was at least two games away from victory (on the assumption that was a set at least 7-5 not 6-4)

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^ Sampras hadn't match point in any of those matches.

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but Sampras lost to decent players, not mugs like Berdych, Gulbis...
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but Sampras lost to decent players, not mugs like Berdych, Gulbis...
That loss to Rafter was a huge surprise then! Rafter was ranked 139 and was playing his first QF in an ATP event. Maybe that win was crucial for his further career

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^ Sampras hadn't match point in any of those matches.
i was going to say 'how could you possibly remember that?' and then I saw it was Voo who said it and I immediately thought, 'oh, it's true'

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That loss to Rafter was a huge surprise then! Rafter was ranked 139 and was playing his first QF in an ATP event. Maybe that win was crucial for his further career
yes it's not impossible that Gulbis has Rafter's carreer in the end, and then people will say "oh what a great opponent"

Sampras also nearly lost to Kafelnikov in Melbourne once when Kafelnikov was very little known ... but later of course it doesn't appear the same when people read that

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