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Rafa better on clay than any player has been on any surface

After obliterating the field in Monte Carlo last week, it's clear that Nadal is better on clay than any player has been on any surface ever. Federer and Sampras on grass? Their numbers don't compare to Rafa's. Borg on clay? Same story.

Never has their been a better marriage of determination and strokes with a particular surface.

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Probably that is true, I wont argue against you on this one.
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thank you Mr. obvious

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Re: Rafa better on clay than any player has been on any surface

He's not the best ever on any particular surface.
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Federer and Sampras on grass? Their numbers don't compare to Rafa's.
Obviously their numbers aren't going to compare to Rafa's. A player can play at max three events on grass throughout the entire season. Of course their numbers don't compare to Rafa's, they don't have two months of clay Masters and 500 events as well as a smattering of events in South America at the start of the year and a couple clay events before the North American HC swing.


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After obliterating the field in Monte Carlo last week, it's clear that Nadal is better on clay than any player has been on any surface ever.
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Best thread ever.

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people actually think rafas not the best clay-player ever?
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people actually think rafas not the best clay-player ever?
Yes, quite a lot actually.

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Re: Rafa better on clay than any player has been on any surface

Most dominant - probably. But not not the lone best - IMO Borg had better clay competition than Rafa has, not by much but still.


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people actually think rafas not the best clay-player ever?
There is someone by the name of Borg. You may say "look at all those TMS titles Rafael has" but back in Borg's time, there were no such type of tournament as tournaments labeled and advertised as a MS event only started in 1990.

So truly the only comparable stat is the French Open wins.

OP's beliefs are very stupid, much like Start_da_fail's and FailSampras's remarks. It can be argued that upsets are easier to achieve on faster surfaces.

Either way, if there was a way to calculate who truly is the most dominant player on each of the surfaces and compare them to other players/surfaces, who cares. You don't get your name included in the discussion for GOAT merely by winning on one surface. Because on hardcourts and grass, Nadal isn't even in the top 10 whereareas Borg is arguably in the top of the discussion on more than just clay. And then Federer clearly is in the discussion for best player on grass/hardcourts, plus while there are obviously better players on clay than Federer, he can also be argued in the top 10 on that particular surface.

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