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What's going on with Murray (be serious please)

Like the thread about Djokovic, I think Murray needs a thread like that.

Here's what I think.

I think Murray has lost his bravery/courage.

He's really worked a lot in last two years : working physically, practising a lot, and playing with the aim of a game with "zero error".

This was a lot of work

And yet he didn't achieve anything he wanted, at slams I mean, of course.

Then I think he's lost his bravery/courage, not able to give everything as he was in the beginning of 2009.

I think that's the main problem.

It reminds me of what many people have said about Nadal : worked a lot, yet stayed number 2, which might have made him lose his courage.

But first Nadal's mentality is of course different (he has a very solid and strong "fighting background" imo) and secondly, at least Nadal had one slam to win every year, in Roland-Garros.

Even Nadal had some moments of losing bravery (for instance when he cried after Wimbledon final in 2007), but he had Roland-Garros. And also he had the fact that he beat the number 1 more often than the number 1 beat him. That gives courage.

Of course some might also compare with Djokovic in the middle of 2008 losing courage after being beaten by Nadal several times, but Djokovic's current situation is imo much more complicated to understand.

I don't think Murray is as "brave" as Nadal, and he's lost some courage here.

Lightening his schedule without maybe any major justification other than some laziness, being less concentrated, making sometimes quite silly things ... it's like that.

Many speak about changing team (ie Todd Martin) for Djokovic but that may also be a good idea for Murray, as I think that in the long term, Murray needs to change his game to attack more, and it may be the right moment : now that he's lost bravery, it's not a good situation to keep on grinding again and again. He might do it on clay next months, but if he's lost bravery what can he win on clay like that ? Maybe he might skip Monte-Carlo and rather prepare for Wimbledon, practising a more attacking game.

I have the impression that McLagan has never encouraged him to play someway else.

I think he has to change something, both for his game and for his mental.

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Re: What's going on with Murray (be serious please)

Knee jerk reaction.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Knee jerk reaction.
sorry, I'm not good enough at English to understand that

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sorry, I'm not good enough at English to understand that
knee-jerk reaction means you react too much because something happened.

i.e. in this case he thinks that Murray losing a few matches doesn't mean anything much and doesn't warrant such a thread.

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knee-jerk reaction means you react too much because something happened.

i.e. in this case he thinks that Murray losing a few matches doesn't mean anything much and doesn't warrant such a thread.
Ok thanks, anyway some people wonder about it, I guess.

I just say my impressions I already had them in Indian Wells in his first matches

Winning or losing matches is not really my concern, but rather the way the player plays and comparing with what he has done in the past.

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knee-jerk reaction means you react too much because something happened.

i.e. in this case he thinks that Murray losing a few matches doesn't mean anything much and doesn't warrant such a thread.
It's the classic MTF overreaction in a nutshell. Long way to go in the season.

Remember when Fed was finished, washed up and a total has been? Nalbandian's results are the classic MTF overreaction, he wins he is a genius, a hero and so talented, when he loses a fat piece of shit, who cares nothing about the game.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: What's going on with Murray (be serious please)

It's very simple.

Crisis of confidence.

Up until the point where the umpire called Game, Set and Match at the Australian Open final, Andy believed he had all the tools and the game necessary to win a Grand Slam.

Then he goes into the final with ideal preparation, and basically gets spanked.

And now he doubts himself.

Now he wonders whether he is good enough.

He's been insulated to all the criticisms from outside telling him to change his game for years, insulated by his own self-confidence.

Now that confidence has been punctured and it may take him some time to repair it.
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It's the classic MTF overreaction in a nutshell. Long way to go in the season.

Remember when Fed was finished, washed up and a total has been? Nalbandian's results are the classic MTF overreaction, he wins he is a genius, a hero and so talented, when he loses a fat piece of shit, who cares nothing about the game.
true but the fact is that murray won't do shit in the clay season which means his "season" is now half a season. Add on to the fact that he won't win Wimbledon (pressure etc.) and there's only a quarter of his season left

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true but the fact is that murray won't do shit in the clay season which means his "season" is now half a season. Add on to the fact that he won't win Wimbledon (pressure etc.) and there's only a quarter of his season left
He has made a GS final already and he has 2 other chances in the year to do it, therefore what he does there is more important than an early loss in a TMS event.

Indian Wells and Miami mean shit in the overall scheme of things. But yes he is washed up and has no chance of turning it around. Believe it or not, players do have the odd dips in form, even the good ones

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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he got a 'weak era' disease.

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Re: What's going on with Murray (be serious please)

Well, I think it's a bit early to ring the alarm bells yet.
The clay season is coming soon, we'll see what he does there, but he never liked clay too much so...

Road to RG: do not expect too much - as long as he keeps beating out of top30 mugs it will be fine. Losing to some Almagro or Kohlschreiber shouldn't be too big shock. Making second week of RG will be a success.
However, he cannot affort losing to some random claycourt mug like Vassallo Arguello.

Queen's and Wimbledon will tell us a lot more: if he loses 4-6 4-6 to Fish early in Queen's and/or loses before QF of Wimby, THEN you should be very concerned about him.


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Before the start of the season he said that he will give his best to win a slam.In Australia he was sooooo close.He made a perfect tournament,but his mental lability failed him.But he has to play his best on clay Masters,because he will NEVER win RG.I think that Murray will concentrate on winning Wimbledon.But he is not mental strong enough to win this

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Players are not afraid of him anymore. His game was always shit.

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In Australia he was sooooo close.
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He's tanking until Wimbledon where he can peak.
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