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More players play the "match of their life" against Federer

I mentioned that in another thread, but it was a little bit "off-topic" then created this thread.

I've had this impression several times for one year especially, that some players now played against Federer as if they were playing against an "old legend" and give more importance to winning this match than to far in this tournament.

When I speak about playing against "an old legend", there are two dimensions :

-"legend" which means that their match or victory against him would be one achievement which would be marked in their whole carreer and memories. Something even more important than going far in the tournament.

- "old" which means that they know that now they have a chance, it's the good moment to beat him.
In his peak years it was quite different : some players had superior motivation but yet started the match thinking they would lose.

I also want to say that because I don't quite agree with the idea that Federer doesn't give a shit about MS1000 tournaments : I think that comparing to slams, he's often not perfectly prepared (but it can be said of several other top-players, I guess, although in a lesser extent), I think, in a lesser extent for me, that he's not as motivated as for slams - I say "in a lesser extent" because for instance I could read an interview in the beginning of the year, saying that he wanted to win more tournaments this year, including other than grand slams, both to do better than previous year and because he clearly aims at staying number 1.

Several matches which have made me think that :

- Murray Masters Cup 2008 : he said that beating Federer in that Masters Cup was a huge achievement, and he let people think that it was as important as wining the tournament ... and actually he lost next round looking exhausted. Also interesting about Murray is that he said later that "Fed's number 1 is up for grabs", meaning that now Federer is not the one he's used to be and you can beat him.

- Benneteau Bercy 2009 : frankly speaking I was amazed by him that day, he played fantastic imo, and he looked incredible, like doped or something, anyway incredibly motivated, I've hardly seen anything like that. In the end of the match he celebrated incredibly saying it was the "greatest win of his carreer" and cried like a baby ... and lost next round (well it was Monfils who reached the final )

- Baghdatis Indian Wells 2010 : I had not been impressed by him for long and clearly underrated him, but in that match he was fantastic, the best match of the tournament imo, Fed played quite well imo, but Marcos was great. In the end of the match he said it was the biggest win of his carreer ... for a player who has been finalist in the Australian Open and semifinalist in Wimbledon

- Tsonga Montreal 2009 : well Fed gave him the match in the end, no doubt it was a crap, but in the first set, Tsonga played at a level I don't remember him playing in other matches in 2009 ... and please note that Tsonga is a player I often watch. All of his words ... he was hugely motivated (actually Fed was the only top-4-player he had not beaten yet), also said something like "my biggest win" (or nearly with his win over Nadal in Melbourne)

- more complicated case but in connection with that : Davydenko Masters Cup 2009, Doha and Melbourne 2010. From his interviews, also from his wife's words, beating Federer was a total obsession for him and if he did that, there was supposed to be no more obstacle to win big tournaments (wgich actually is not completely irrational if you consider his recent level of play and record against other players). Little bit too much obsession maybe if you consider the quarterfinal in Melbourne, but yet an obsession. And in London he gave everything he had to win.

Well, of course it's not totally anormal against a number 1 or even a top-player : for some players beating Nadal is also a real extraordinary achievement, and you could even see Tipsarevic's fighting and celebration after beating Murray in Dubai ...

But it seems to me that there has been something more in some recent matches against Federer.

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Re: More players play the match of their life against Federer

when people defeat Roger in MS or smaller tournaments, it's like they have won a Slam or something

they get super excited, happy, kiss the ground, cry and then promptly lose in the next round against anyone

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Re: More players play the match of their life against Federer

Söderling seems obsessed with beating Federer, dreaming of a final against him in master cup and also kind of has put in his mind that it is the most difficult thing in this sport (he didnt even think he could win USOPEN match if he had taken the 4th set).

I remember Gonzalez played incredible tennis to beat Federer in the master cup 2007 and then didnt win anything else. Roddick seems to have changed his whole gameplan to beat Federer and has been taking sets from him atleast, he defeated him 2008 miami and celebrated like if he had won a grand slam just to lose against Davydenko...
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Tipsarevic at 08 Aussie Open. And he still lost.

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Söderling seems obsessed with beating Federer, dreaming of a final against him in master cup and also kind of has put in his mind that it is the most difficult thing in this sport (he didnt even think he could win USOPEN match if he had taken the 4th set)....
yes I think he also has an obsession like Davydenko

Beating him in Abu Dhabi was quite celebrated although it was only an exhibition

You also mention Roddick, Gonzalez ... actually it's a category of players like Davydenko, who have lost a lot against him when he was in his prime and who have an obsession : they are hugely motivated against him but it's a little bit different from the other players I mentioned, as they have a disadvantage comparing to other players because this is precisely an obsession and also a complex.

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Roddick seems to have changed his whole gameplan to beat Federer and has been taking sets from him atleast, he defeated him 2008 miami and celebrated like if he had won a grand slam just to lose against Davydenko...
I hadn't thought of him for celebrations, didn't remember that, but I also think he has more chance to beat him than in the past.

I think because Fed's level has declined, esp on serve return.

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I hadn't thought of him for celebrations, didn't remember that, but I also think he has more chance to beat him than in the past.

I think because Fed's level has declined, esp on serve return.
He didnt actually celebrate as much as Benneteau, anyway these victories dont change the life of these players and are barely remembered therafter, so I dont know whats up with the myth around beating Federer in best of 3 matches.

2005 was different, the players who beat Federer played absolutely mindblowing tennis to defeat him (except Nadal on clay, which is mindblowing even when it is ordinary for his standards). You remember Gasquet in Monte Carlo 2005 (best match he has played, together with Roddick 2007?), Safin Australian Open and Nalbandian with the master cup, Federer was kind of unbeatable anywhere 2005-2006. He could have gone a whole year without losing a single match with a bit of luck.
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Tipsarevic at 08 Aussie Open. And he still lost.
yes I had thought of it as well, what refreshed me especially is that against Murray in Dubai (I only saw final set), I saw a Tipsarevic as motivated and also playing far better than usual : then it was hader top mention it as Federer's specificity

On the contrary, Benneteau tightly competed with Murray in Cincinatti, but I read his post-match comments : it was nearly like an ordinary match for him.

Also what refreshed me a little bit about that Tipsy match is that Federer played quite badly that day.

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Re: More players play the match of their life against Federer

With all due respect (because you are an excellent poster)

this thread is stupid in my opinion

Federer at masters events plays like he couldn't care less

Federer at the slams is like a beast possessed.

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Re: More players play the match of their life against Federer

It is not only against Federer. I also saw some players ranked 80-120 playing their best match of life against Nadal - Phau, Marcos Daniel and some others.

I guess it is all about motivation - they spend all their life playing against similar mugs on outside courts or in challengers and when playing against Fed or Rafa - they are playing on center court, with all lights on them. And if they somehow make a surprise - whole world will be saying about them.

Only MTF and other addicts know about Phau. But if he somehow managed to get a win over Nadal in Grand Slam - he will be on BBC, NBC, CNN and others.

It is about motivation imo. There is always a bigger motivation to beat better player, better focus and approach. But if you are playing against Fed or Nadal - this is the extra big motivation. That's why they play the matches of their lives against them.
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Re: More players play the match of their life against Federer

Good post, Montego!

I would like to add that players who face Nadal and Roger have nothing to loseand no pressure or expectations.

If Phau could play every week like he did against Rafa, he would be top 25.
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Phau against Nadal was unreal, the way he fought was amazing
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Re: More players play the match of their life against Federer

And remember how Koellerer was fighting against Del Pony in US Open. He was leaving all he had on the court and running down each ball, even those which he couldn't possibly reach.
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