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post #1 of 62 (permalink) Old 03-19-2010, 01:54 PM Thread Starter
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Nadal vs Murray: who plays more aggressive tennis?

This might be kind of tricky, because it obviously depends on form, matchups and what kind of surface they are playing. But the way I see it the differense between Nadal and Murray is that Nadal strives to become more aggressive and does everything in his power to become more offensive minded on the tennis court even if his tennis is originally very defensive while Murray with more potential to attack is quite comfortable defending and just beeing a pusher just living on the unforced errors opponents make and really frustating them.

In the matchup Murray vs Nadal, Murray is almost every time more aggressive much because he knows he cant live on mistakes Nadal will make (that is, will never make) and also because Nadal's tennis invites Murray to attack (forehands to his strong backhand side and the weak 2nd serve).

But overall there is no doubt in my mind that Nadal is more offensive minded than Murray and is not happy to simply live by the opponents mistakes even if he gets in these kind of situations when he is unable to push his opponent around. Nadal cant control matches with flat shots so he needs a court where his spin gets a really great kick to control the points, against Berdych he was constantly attacking Berdych's second serve and all the time going down the line to Berdych's forehand side to not be in a position where Berdych is atacking crosscourt with his backhand and Nadal simply defends with looping forehands.

Murray can get really comfortable in a position where he is simply defending, Nadal on the other hand while often forced into such a position against big opponents with great twohanded backhands doesnt seem comfortable anymore to simply live by the mistakes of his opponents.

Murray got a better serve, flatter shots, greater returns and greater volleys than Nadal but all potential to be aggressive seems lost to him, I have seen interviews where he simply aknowledges that he is a pusher and makes it sound impossible to change his playing style.
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Re: Nadal vs Murray: who plays more aggressive tennis?

i think murray is more comfortable playing aggressively but most of the time they play defensively
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Re: Nadal vs Murray: who plays more aggressive tennis?

When I say "comfortable" I am talking about the mindset and not really how good they play aggressive tennis. Murray has the mindset to frustate his opponents with a megapusher game with a big 1st serve and some surprising attacking shots here and there, while Nadal has the mindset to try to get in control of rallies even if he cant hit a flat forehand and his serve is kind of weak just as his return of serve is avarage.
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nadal without a question.

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Nadal.

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Murray. Especially when they play each other.

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Murray. Pretty much exclusively when they play each other.
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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Re: Nadal vs Murray: who plays more aggressive tennis?

Nadal.
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Only tournaments I see Nadal going for his shots at the rate the OP says are grass events and this tournament, so it's not like he's miles more aggressive. On clay he has never needed to be.

Both of them are defensive-minded and Djokovic has gone that way and even Del Potro isn't exactly a risk taker, the only one at the top of the game is Federer.

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Only tournaments I see Nadal going for his shots at the rate the OP says are grass events and this tournament, so it's not like he's miles more aggressive. On clay he has never needed to be.

Both of them are defensive-minded and Djokovic has gone that way and even Del Potro isn't exactly a risk taker, the only one at the top of the game is Federer.
The problem is Nadal's shots look more defensive on paper, Murray's are more traditional with less topspin. But Nadal goes for his shots a lot more often than Murray does. Just counting the times he goes for that winning DTL FH... and that's not counting the times he gets tired of hitting backhands and whacks it CC.

Both are very defensive-minded players, but Nadal is clearly the more "aggressive" of the two.

I agree on the current trend of tennis.

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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Re: Nadal vs Murray: who plays more aggressive tennis?

Nadal by miles.

I have noticed that Nadal has became a lot more agressive in the past 2 years or so.

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Re: Nadal vs Murray: who plays more aggressive tennis?

Nadal plays tennis of one and the same pattern. Murray plays various tennis, in which aggression is an option. Nadal genetically unable to attack, but some people think otherwise impressed by overpowered and overspinned moonballs that this player performs. On scale of 1-10, where 1 is full defence and 10 is full attack, Murray is able to play 2-9, Nadal 1-5. IMO.
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Nadal.

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Nadal plays tennis of one and the same pattern. Murray plays various tennis, in which aggression is an option. Nadal genetically unable to attack, but some people think otherwise impressed by overpowered and overspinned moonballs that this player performs. On scale of 1-10, where 1 is full defence and 10 is full attack, Murray is able to play 2-9, Nadal 1-5. IMO.
well, my take on that is that murray definitely has more shots than nadal but he prefers to play defensively most of the time because he probably feels more comfortable that way. Nadal on the other hand is more stable in his shot selection because his arsenal isn't quite as big but he does try to be more agressive most of the time.

That said, tennis is about match-ups and with some players Nadal is a lot more defensive than with others. With Federer Nadal tends to rely a lot more on his topspin defensive shots than with other players. On the other hand, with Berdych for example, he tends to be more aggresive probably because he doesn't want an agressive flat-hitter to take the initiative and make him run around the court to win a point.

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