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2008 & 2009 were the only years in the last decade with no teenager in top 100

Does this mean that the level of play is higher than it has ever been and it is hard for the youngsters to break into top 100...

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Does this mean that the young guns of 1989-... have failed to the expectations... ?!?

And who do you think will be the next teenager to enter the top 100 and when?

tomic, dimitrov, krajinovic, harrison, bhambri...
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Re: 2008 & 2009 were the only years in the last decade with no teenager in top 100

Djokovic is proving this current top field (at least top 10) is not what everything would like to envision it would be. Hes gaining further ranking points, distancing himself from the rest and he ISNT EVEN WINNING TOURNAMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




In terms of the top 100. I like Dimitrov and I actually hope its one of these guys who dominate and make a big career for themselves I mean who wants to see Murray dominate tennis? No thanks and that will only hurt the popularity of tennis compared to where it was when Nadal and Fed dominated. Though Del Potro is fun to watch. He may be the next big dog if he can finally stop getting injured. It would be great to see one of these unexpected young players come along and tear it up
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Djokovic is proving this current top field (at least top 10) is not what everything would like to envision it would be. Hes gaining further ranking points, distancing himself from the rest and he ISNT EVEN WINNING TOURNAMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you an idiot?

Do you realize that ranking points and tournament wins are entirely based on how well someone does against their own era of players? You can't say this era sucks because players of this era lose to other players of this era. I would hope it is obvious to you why that is silly.

Yet you persist on making that argument. That is what you are doing here. You are saying that Djokovic is going up in the rankings despite not winning stuff, so this era must suck. No. All that shows is that, for the moment, the players who have been winning some stuff have been players ranked enough below Djokovic that they havent overtaken him. Meanwhile, he has been outplaying those ahead of him in the rankings. All of this is just a result of how the top players are playing RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER.

How the players of an era play relative to each other at any given time is really quite irrelevant when talking about how good the era is compared to other eras. What about this cant you grasp?
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Re: 2008 & 2009 were the only years in the last decade with no teenager in top 100

It's a bit funny that. Apparently the top 100 is getting older and older which is weird considering how the game has got more physical. You'd think that players would retire earlier these days than they did in the 60s/70s because of doing so much more running, but averages recently suggest otherwise. Maybe the likes of Lapentti and Santoro are skewing the results.

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Re: 2008 & 2009 were the only years in the last decade with no teenager in top 100

Because we have Dimitrov to represent us. That says it all

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Does this mean that the level of play is higher than it has ever been and it is hard for the youngsters to break into top 100...

Or

Does this mean that the young guns of 1989-... have failed to the expectations... ?!?

And who do you think will be the next teenager to enter the top 100 and when?

tomic, dimitrov, krajinovic, harrison, bhambri...
You got your facts wrong.
Kei Nishikori (b. Dec. 1989) entered top 100 for five weeks in April/May 2008 and was again a top 100 player from September 2008 to April 2009. His career high ranking so far is #56. He's out injured for almost a year but once he's fit again and if he can stay healthy then he should get back inside top 100 in no time.

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Are you an idiot?

Do you realize that ranking points and tournament wins are entirely based on how well someone does against their own era of players? You can't say this era sucks because players of this era lose to other players of this era. I would hope it is obvious to you why that is silly.

Yet you persist on making that argument. That is what you are doing here. You are saying that Djokovic is going up in the rankings despite not winning stuff, so this era must suck. No. All that shows is that, for the moment, the players who have been winning some stuff have been players ranked enough below Djokovic that they havent overtaken him. Meanwhile, he has been outplaying those ahead of him in the rankings. All of this is just a result of how the top players are playing RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER.

How the players of an era play relative to each other at any given time is really quite irrelevant when talking about how good the era is compared to other eras. What about this cant you grasp?
Now now.... I never said this era sucks.. Im saying it isnt as strong as people say it is. So again.. I never said ONCE this era sucks ..But people want to say how this is the strongest top 10 in history and I am debating that and alot of the proof is in the pudding here with the Djokester. Not to say he is crappy player which I dont. I think he is a tremendous underachiever but a very talented player. In fact, I think he should have a handful of slams at this point... But he Has been for the better part of two years now. Im not sure how many are going to debate this issue But lets face it.. the guy should not be #2 at this point in time, nor would he be if he was in a seriously stacked top 10 as the say the mid-late 80s or early 90s. No way in hell. Hes been subpar at best and overrall crappy when it has matter most. All of last year and already this year. He went out to some total clowns at the slams.. Guys he should be routining. Lets look at the list of mediocrity. Kohlschreiber, Haas, Tsonga, Roddick.. I mean huh? For the #2 in the world? Please
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Re: 2008 & 2009 were the only years in the last decade with no teenager in top 100

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It's a bit funny that. Apparently the top 100 is getting older and older which is weird considering how the game has got more physical. You'd think that players would retire earlier these days than they did in the 60s/70s because of doing so much more running, but averages recently suggest otherwise. Maybe the likes of Lapentti and Santoro are skewing the results.
Eh. How is it funny? With some exceptions, it is quite normal that aspiring tennis pros don't mature and develop fully physically as a player until around about 20 years old or later. I think the game has got more physical, so it will prove even harder than usual for teenagers to make their mark.

On the other hand it could just a blip and normal historical service could be resumed at some point over the next few years, but I wouldn't be surprised to see this become far more of a normal occurrence over the next 10 or so years. Eventually younger players and their teams will probably decide that they should aim to achieve a physical prime earlier, but we'll see.
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It's a bit funny that. Apparently the top 100 is getting older and older which is weird considering how the game has got more physical. You'd think that players would retire earlier these days than they did in the 60s/70s because of doing so much more running, but averages recently suggest otherwise. Maybe the likes of Lapentti and Santoro are skewing the results.
I think it is tougher for very young players to compete with the best because they are not fully physically developed till later on. It isn't like the past where you could win matches and tournaments without being the strongest or whatever. I mean Nadal was the last person to win a slam as a teen, and he was 19, nothing like Chang/Becker at 17, 20 years prior.

But at the same time, it is difficult for players who are getting old as well because then their own physical abilities diminish.

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Djokovic is proving this current top field (at least top 10) is not what everything would like to envision it would be. Hes gaining further ranking points, distancing himself from the rest and he ISNT EVEN WINNING TOURNAMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. How odd that Djokovic leapfrogged Nadal in the rankings as Djok defended his points at the AO from last year, while Nadal lost 1640 points. Truly mindboggling.
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You got your facts wrong.
Indeed. Marin Cilic was a teenager in 2008 - and ranked within the top 50 at the time. And Del Potro was 19 when he cracked the Top 20 in August 2008.
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Lets look at the list of mediocrity. Kohlschreiber, Haas, Tsonga, Roddick.. I mean huh? For the #2 in the world? Please
Kohlschreiber I will give you, though he is dangerous. Haas is a former World No. 2 & 4-time slam semi-finalist. Tsonga is a Top-Ten player and slam finalist. Roddick is a former World No. 1 & slam winner. It would be too predictable to rehash the list of mediocrities who beat Sampras & Agassi in slams.

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Players are getting worse.
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Ironic. Physical conditioning has become so important, and most teens are still bulking up. Look at Murray and Djokovic a couple years ago and how much they needed to improve their stamina and bulk to compete better, by when they were out of their teens. Players are also looking after themselves better now probably, so can play on longer and this probably is part of why there are so many 25+ year olds in the Top 10.

Very interesting facts. Thanks for posting
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