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Why Spaniards `peak at a young age`[Rafa, Moya, Bruguera]? whats up with JCF?

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Spanish tennis players seems to have a history of burning out at a young age:

Nadal`s peak: 2005-08 [aged 19-22 yrs]
JCF`s peak 2000-03 [aged 19-22 yrs]
Moya`s peak 1997-98 [aged 20-21 yrs]
Corretja`s peak 1997-98 [aged 23-24 yrs]
Bruguera`s peak 1993-94 [aged 22-23 yrs]
Bersasategui`s peak 1994 [aged 21 yrs]




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What a bizarre case JCF is::
World #1 & FO champion @ 23 yrs, then no titles for 6 years, then 3 titles out of the blue at age 30..!!
Did he just waste 6 years of his life..??
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13 September 1999 Majorca, Spain Clay Àlex Corretja
...2000 - No Titles...
4 February 2001 Dubai, UAE Hard Marat Safin
9 April 2001 Estoril, Portugal Clay Felix Mantilla
23 April 2001 Barcelona, Spain Clay Carlos Moyà
7 May 2001 Rome, Italy Clay Gustavo Kuerten
15 April 2002 Monte Carlo, Monaco Clay Carlos Moyà
23 September 2002 Hong Kong, China Hard
14 April 2003 Monte Carlo, Monaco (2) Clay
28 April 2003 Valencia, Spain Clay
26 May 2003 French Open, Paris, France Clay
13 October 2003 Madrid, Spain Hard (i)

...2004 - No Titles...
...2005 - No Titles...
...2006 - No Titles...
...2007 - No Titles...
...2008 - No Titles...

12 April 2009 Casablanca, Morocco Clay
14 February 2010 Costa do Sauípe, Brazil Clay
21 February 2010 Buenos Aires, Argentina Clay


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The trend is not limited to Spanish tennis players ~ also Spain`s most famous golfers have all burnt out early

Ballesteros` peak 1979-84 [aged 22-27 yrs]
Olazabel`s peak 1990-94 [aged 24-28 yrs]
Garcia`s peak 1999-07 [aged 19-27yrs]

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Why do the Spanish burn out so early
Something in the paella

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Re: Why do Spaniards `burn out` [eg. Rafa, JCF, Moya] so early.!?

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Re: Why do Spaniards `burn out` [eg. Rafa, JCF, Moya] so early.!?

nadal's peak is not over yet...he will make a lot of haters cry during this season...

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Re: Why do Spaniards `burn out` [eg. Rafa, JCF, Moya] so early.!?

To early to say if Nadal is past his peak.

Maybe lot of Spaniards have a physically demanding game tailered for clay, which puts additional stress on their body?

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Re: Why do Spaniards `burn out` [eg. Rafa, JCF, Moya] so early.!?

I don't think Moya belongs to the list.
Moya had an injury, and once recovered his level, he remained a top player from 2002 to till middle 2005. As late as 2008 he was a top 20 player. When you consider that he made the 1997 Australian Open final, that is a very long career performing at a very high level.

Ferrero had chicken pox in early 2004 and never recovered. He wento from consistent top 3 player to being a top 30 floater.

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Robredo is still going strong. And don't forget about "The Future".
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I don't think Moya belongs to the list.
Moya had an injury, and once recovered his level, he remained a top player from 2002 to till middle 2005. As late as 2008 he was a top 20 player. When you consider that he made the 1997 Australian Open final, that is a very long career performing at a very high level.

Ferrero had chicken pox in early 2004 and never recovered. He wento from consistent top 3 player to being a top 30 floater.
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They get too much ass.

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I don't think Moya belongs to the list.
Moya had an injury, and once recovered his level, he remained a top player from 2002 to till middle 2005. As late as 2008 he was a top 20 player. When you consider that he made the 1997 Australian Open final, that is a very long career performing at a very high level.

Ferrero had chicken pox in early 2004 and never recovered. He wento from consistent top 3 player to being a top 30 floater.
indeed Moya has a very long career

after every serious injury he came back and won some tournements and came back in the top 20, even top 10.
Now his last injury, hip, he has the motivation of playing again and win some matches, but i think he is now 33 years, I think he will not have big results, but that is not due his motivation, but due his age and so

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Re: Why do Spaniards `burn out` [eg. Rafa, JCF, Moya] so early.!?

Well look at how alot of them play.. The run around like a bunch of a orangutans to win points.
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Well look at how alot of them play.. The run around like a bunch of a orangutans to win points.
And they traditionally only win the FO. In the Open era Spanish men had only won the FO and Orantes who won the USO when it was played on har-tru clay. So looks like Nadal overachieved by being the only Spanish male to win slams outside of clay/har-tru clay in the Open era
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And they traditionally only win the FO. In the Open era Spanish men had only won the FO and Orantes who won the USO when it was played on har-tru clay. So looks like Nadal overachieved by being the only Spanish male to win slams outside of clay/har-tru clay in the Open era
Nadal definitely overachieved for sure. Any other era IMO he would do nothing except rack up French Open titles. No luxury of slow wimbleon anymore, serve volley attackers now to deal with, and doesnt have the racket technology. Yep he would have been screwed
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If Nadal wins 1 more slam, he will have as many slams as all the Spanish male players have won combined before him in the Open era. Talk about overachieving.
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