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Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

Any significance for this kind of statistics ?

Miami 04 - Nadal
Miami 05 - Federer
Dubai 06 - Nadal
AOpen 09 - Nadal

As a different aspect, Nadal is 2-5 vs Djokovic on outdoor HC
and 0-3 vs Davydenko on outdoor HC.

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...

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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

Nadal >>>>> Federer
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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

It is quite interesting that all those results where in the first half of the year when, presumably, Nadal is fit.

When they played in Shanghai, apart from the indoors aspect, Nadal was, also presumably (I don't buy this theories) tired...

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...
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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

That Nadal is shit indoors?

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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

one swallow doesnt make a summer

Roger does it time and time again on hard courts, always is there in slam finals
Nadal has fluke run every blue moon
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Any significance for this kind of statistics ?

Miami 04 - Nadal
Miami 05 - Federer
Dubai 06 - Nadal
AOpen 09 - Nadal
It obviously tells us that Nadal is the most amazing player to ever be born in the history of the sport and that he is AMAZING on hardcourts and that nobody can beat him unless he is tired or injured. Isn't this the response you want to hear?

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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

On a more serious note: When Nadal actually does make it to the finals to meet Federer, it means that he is playing really well at the moment and is on a groove. Basically he is on a hot streak, everytime he actually makes it to the final to meet Federer. If he is not playing well he loses earlier to any good hardcourt player.
On the other hand Federer constantly makes the finals, whether he is playing well or not. Just because he is in the finals of a tournament doesn't necessarily mean that he is playing well and that he is on a groove.

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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

Nadal is a horrible matchup for Federer and the main reason he has managed to so far win 6 slams in the era of the GOAT. If you can't beat Federer at the slams, you can't win slams in this era. Just ask Roddick, Davydenko, Hewitt, Murray.
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...If God had gifted Nadal with healthy knees he would own 6 straight US Open Titles and three CYGS?

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That Nadal is shit indoors?

This as well
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On a more serious note: When Nadal actually does make it to the finals to meet Federer, it means that he is playing really well at the moment and is on a groove. Basically he is on a hot streak, everytime he actually makes it to the final to meet Federer. If he is not playing well he loses earlier to any good hardcourt player.
On the other hand Federer constantly makes the finals, whether he is playing well or not. Just because he is in the finals of a tournament doesn't necessarily mean that he is playing well and that he is on a groove.
I think people forget that Federer has not been making that many finals on hard courts either (outside of slams) since 2007.

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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

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Any significance for this kind of statistics ?

Miami 04 - Nadal
Miami 05 - Federer
Dubai 06 - Nadal
AOpen 09 - Nadal

As a different aspect, Nadal is 2-5 vs Djokovic on outdoor HC
and 0-3 vs Davydenko on outdoor HC.
It gives even more evidence than H2H doesn't mean shit when looking at someone's whole career or pitting them up to the ATP. Because if the H2H actually meant something, it would suggest that Nadal is a better HC player than Federer. LMK when 1 slam on HC is more than 9.

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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

It tells us that Nadal is Federer's worst match-up.
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I think people forget that Federer has not been making that many finals on hard courts either (outside of slams) since 2007.
Legends have their priorities, you shouldn't read too much into it... Only slams matter when you're in Fed's league
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Re: Nadal is 3-1 vs. Federer on outdoor HC. What does this tell us ?

It means a few things:

1. Nadal only reaches the finals of hard court tournaments when he is in extremely good form.
2. All of those matches were played on hard courts that react quite a bit to topspin, so Nadal was not really at a disadvantage from the surface.
3. Nadal matches up extremely well with Federer
4. Nadal is nowhere near Federer's level indoors.
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