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No more excuses can be made fellas. Today's field just doesnt have "it"

Outside of Del Potro and Nadal there is no other player out there who has the cajones and the ability to get it done against even a 28 year old passed his peak/prime Federer.

At the end of the day, some blame is going to have to go on the likes of DJokovic and Murray for being pretenders. I dont want to hear about how "young" there are. They have been around now for quite some time at the top. I you would have to figure Murray would have at least made it a 5 setter epic or at least 4 set determined by tiebreaks. But to get bullied and whiped out in straights by a 28 year old player passed his prime? No excuses.. These guys just dont have what it takes and people are making them out to be something they aren't, Its been proven time and time again
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^^ how about giving that guy that managed to stay on top for all those years, and still continuing to do so despite being 'already' 28 years old, some well-deserved credits for his achievements, in stead of bashing the rest of the field of current players?

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Sampras fans still bitter eh...

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^^ how about giving that guy that managed to stay on top for all those years, and still continuing to do so despite being 'already' 28 years old, some well-deserved credits for his achievements, in stead of bashing the rest of the field of current players?
I give Fed credit but Im not giving him nearly too much at all. .. He's been good.. But not good to the point where he has been overly impressive. Certainly nowhere near where he used to be.. And you can rest assured if Nadal was healthy Fed at this level would be the current #2 in the world. Fed wouldnt get away playing at a lower level if he had to deal with Nadal at the slams. He would have lost Wimbeldon, RG, AND Today playing Nadal.

If anything alot of the credit should go to Del Potro and Nadal for being injury plagued and letting Fed have free reign. They are the only ones with balls to beat Federer and now bow down
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I give Fed credit but Im not giving him nearly too much at all. .. He's been good.. But not good to the point where he has been overly impressive. Certainly nowhere near where he used to be.. And you can rest assured if Nadal was healthy Fed at this level would be the current #2 in the world. Fed wouldnt get away playing at a lower level if he had to deal with Nadal at the slams. He would have lost Wimbeldon, RG, AND Today playing Nadal.

If anything alot of the credit should go to Del Potro and Nadal for being injury plagued and letting Fed have free reign. They are the only ones with balls to beat Federer and now bow down
Still commentating on matches you haven't seen?

Federer's backhand was as good as it ever has in the 2 few sets, serve was way better than during 2006.
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Still commentating on matches you haven't seen?

Federer's backhand was as good as it ever has in the 2 few sets, serve was way better than during 2006.
Because Murray has no aggressive game to speak of unlike a Del Potro so Federer can just have a field day. Obviously if Fed was on, Murray is the perfect opponent to be "on" against.



Even Davydenko managed a set
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I think a lot of it... MOST OF IT is Roger. I used to not think that way, but... c'mon. Roger is really just that good.

However, there is something a little odd about the top players.
Now, even Rafa has fallen victim to it.

I mean.. I understand about protecting one's health.. I do.....

But this is the second time Rafa has just handed over a grand slam title without really defending it. First, it was at Wimby where he didn't even play. Now, he retired at the AO. In a way, I would have like to see him at least go through the motions, staying on court than retiring... I understand his knee was hurting him. However, I would have just liked to have seen him stay out there fighting as well as he could have under the circumstances.

Of course, now Nole has made a habit of it--like Tsonga said--for 5 years! I like Nole, too, and I realize if he's sick; he's sick. But I still would like to see him just stick it out rather than retiring because it's obviously a habit of some sort or just bad luck, maybe?

I'm on the fence about it because on one hand I understand... on the other it's like this fine line to where it APPEARS like they are just giving up.
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Sampras fans still bitter eh...
He remembers how Sampras played when he was 28. Nowhere near this level.
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Because Murray has no aggressive game to speak of unlike a Del Potro so Federer can just have a field day. Obviously if Fed was on, Murray is the perfect opponent to be "on" against.



Even Davydenko managed a set
So you haven't seen the Federer-Davydenko match either?

Federer made 20+ UEs in the first 10 games and served badly compared to today, Murray would've won that set too.
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I give Fed credit but Im not giving him nearly too much at all. .. He's been good.. But not good to the point where he has been overly impressive. Certainly nowhere near where he used to be.. And you can rest assured if Nadal was healthy Fed at this level would be the current #2 in the world. Fed wouldnt get away playing at a lower level if he had to deal with Nadal at the slams. He would have lost Wimbeldon, RG, AND Today playing Nadal.
Okay. Point taken, but I think you're overrating Nadal here - know what, you just can't play someone in a GS final who fails to show up there.

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If anything alot of the credit should go to Del Potro and Nadal for being injury plagued and letting Fed have free reign. They are the only ones with balls to beat Federer and now bow down
Staying healthy and fit is part of the game.
A lot of it has to do with proper scheduling and of course, playing style. Of course there is the luck-factor as well, and yes, I admit that Federer has indeed been lucky with having a bod like he apparently has.

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Re: No more excuses can be made fellas. Today's field just doesnt have "it"

Even Andreev took a set from Fed at the AO... what does that say about Murray?
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28 year old "post-prime" Fed would have easily been the best player in the world in the era of, say, Hewitt. Federer is too good, and yes a lot of the new crop are mentally weak, but Federer's ability should not be understated.
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Outside of Del Potro and Nadal there is no other player out there who has the cajones and the ability to get it done against even a 28 year old passed his peak/prime Federer.

At the end of the day, some blame is going to have to go on the likes of DJokovic and Murray for being pretenders. I dont want to hear about how "young" there are. They have been around now for quite some time at the top. I you would have to figure Murray would have at least made it a 5 setter epic or at least 4 set determined by tiebreaks. But to get bullied and whiped out in straights by a 28 year old player passed his prime? No excuses.. These guys just dont have what it takes and people are making them out to be something they aren't, Its been proven time and time again
Such a naive thread on the day a guy won his 16th grand slam title! Have you seen the match? Or are you doing some age-based guess work here? This was one of Federer's most impressive grand slam appearances. And Murray was being no "pretender". He was good too. Give tennis some credit!
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So you haven't seen the Federer-Davydenko match either?

Federer made 20+ UEs in the first 10 games and served badly compared to today, Murray would've won that set too.
Yea I saw the game.. And Fed played bad because Davydenko was attacking, returning well and making him play bad. Until he turned into a country club after being up 3-1 in the 2nd set where he couldnt get a ball over the net
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If anything alot of the credit should go to Del Potro and Nadal for being injury plagued and letting Fed have free reign. They are the only ones with balls to beat Federer and now bow down
Yeah Nadal and Del Potro are very injury prone. But Fed knows how to stay healthy. Kudos to him.
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