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post #1 of 52 (permalink) Old 01-31-2010, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
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Where Murray takes it from here


1 He is a really good player now and his game is maturing well. He's doing a good job of finding the right balance between attack and defence.

2 Federer respects him and knows he has to bring his best to beat him. This was a completely different (and better) Federer from the one who lost to Del Potro. It might have been because Federer had very little recovery time before the Delpo match but I suspect it was also because Federer respects Murray more than he does Delpo.

3 I think that speech and the emotion showed the world that he's basically a good guy, although a lot of people had found him quite irritating in the past.

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I really don't think there's much wrong with Murray's game at all - it's just a question of executing on the day. However, I'll focus on three points:

1 He still doesn't look 100% comfortable putting balls away. When Federer or Nadal have a short ball on their forehand, they kill it every time. Clean and efficient. Federer looked he could put away those forehands with a blindfold on. With Murray it looked like a bit of a struggle at times.

2 Second serve needs to improve. This is definitely possible - he's a very tall and powerful guy.

3 Last but not least, STOP CLUTCHING YOUR BACK/THIGH/ARM IN THAT PATHETIC WAY. I don't believe there was anything wrong with him at all. It's just a pathetic display of mental weakness, showing to the world (and the opponent) that he doesn't fancy his chances of winning the match. Most players left this sort of thing behind when they moved on from juniors. Even if you are injured (and I don't believe Murray was) you shouldn't let your opponent know. And when there's a much older guy on the other side of the net from you looking fresh as a daisy, such behaviour is completely embarrassing.
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Suprisingly I pretty much agree with everything you said there.

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his game has no aggression , Nadal was the same when he came but he learned to be aggressive when he needs to be. Murray is just a cookie cutter player with a good all around game but against a focused oppoenent he can't fight back
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Suprisingly I pretty much agree with everything you said there.
And I agree with Federer as well - 'too good a player to not win a GS'. It's merely a matter of time imho.

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Murray needs to take it to the next level
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He picks himself up, dusts himself off and keeps trying to put himself into the position to play another slam final and try to win it.

The second serve is showing signs of improvement. He does play more aggressively more often these days but I agree he still doesn't always put the ball away as effectively as I would like to see.

I hope one day it goes his way.
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He has the game. Its time to do some soul searching. Its all in his head now. How bad do you want a slam? Do you want it bad enough to go out and take what you want. Its that simple. I believe Andy will be fine. All players mature at different rates and games like Andys take longer sometimes. Sometimes they can mature early but only when those players have the heart of a warrior. Andy is not a warrior. Andy is more like a chess player that is always wanting to extend the chess match. He will learn. His game has progessed fine in the physical sense. Now he just needs to fix the mental issues and stay healthy. Then you will see him maximizes his potential and the success role in. Its all heart and mind right now for Andy.
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I think he needs to keep playing at a similar level to what he produced for the most part of the last 2 weeks. But if he's to win a slam i think he either gets lucky with who he plays or he plays lights out like he did against Rafa in the quarters. He was very hesitant at times against Fed.
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To win a slam he has to start playing agressive tennis mixing it up with serve and volley.
Obviously against weaker players like his matches in the first week he can play his normal game and he will get the win.But the way he played the final is he hoped to be gifted the title rather then him trying to earn it.Too many times when he got the advantage in the rally instead of going for a winner or coming to the net he decided to keep the rally going and allow Federer to gain the upper hand.
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He needs to loosen up thats all, he is a teetotal mummys boy. From here he needs to go out with his team get insanely pissed and get off with some hot Aussie totty. He can start looking at his game sometime next week.

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He should grow a beard, a beard would look good on him. His hair should be scruffy, short doesn't suit him.

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His second serve was either better today or Fed just didn't really attack it. Not sure which.

Agree with his other weaknesses. He only rips the forehand powerfully enough for a winner on a really short ball or one where he can get a lot of angle. Also thought he was tactically weak after Fed's slice or even topspin backhand was proving difficult to compromise.
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His next real chance is at the USO.
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Agree mostly with op except point 3, the clutching at the back etc. He said his lycra shorts were a bit tight. He has had stiffness in his back all week but has consistently said it is just uncomfortable more then anything and not really affecting his play.

No, I think the main thing is Andy has shown good progress and maybe just needs to play consistently more aggressive tennis even when he doesn't need to so that he is in the groove when the big matches come along. Maybe if he could close out matches more quickly, there would be less of a physical toll, although obviously things worked out pretty well for him in Australia anyway, probably because of the type of players he faced (except Cilic who was just tired). Forehand looked better today, I thought, but more work needed obviously. First serve percentage/consistency and second serve are other obvious areas.

In his interview, Fed said he played some of his best ever tennis and who am I to disagree so things aren't all bad.
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fed played well but Murray forgot how to be aggressive and went back to his passive defensive ways when the pressure got put on. Murray gives Fed the opportunity to just go for broke and do whatever he wants. Thats why Murray isnt #1 and is slamless. Nadal would NEVER allow this happen. Fed received a big time gift since RG last year. A BIG TIME GIFT!! Bottom line
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