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Murray reminds me a lot of Hewitt in his prime

I guess it can be argued that Murray has more variety in his game but his overall kind-of-pushing style and intelligent tactical mindset are pretty similar to what Lleyton used to be, imo.

Even his "come on" are getting kind of similar although I've got to admit that Hewitt's come on was far more annoying.

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Re: Murray reminds me a lot of Hewitt in his prime

Not close in the way they play. Murray can hit a backhand down the line and Hewitt in his prime faced big servers on faster surfaces and loved using their pace against them.

Murray has more variation than Hewitt.

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I see some similaritiesas well when murray is counterpunching. Murray has more weopondry though and hence can change tactics a little better. Murray may be a little smarter. That one is hard to say. Hewitt had more alot heart and fight and probably a better counterpuncher overall. Hewitt was a more disciplined player. Hewitt had a lot more intensity as well. I would be suprised if Andy did not look up to Hewitt as a child wether he admits it or not. Both players at heart are defensive minded.
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Re: Murray reminds me a lot of Hewitt in his prime

The biggest difference is that Murray takes the pace of the ball then counterattacks while Hewitt tries to play offensive and stays closer to the baseline. Another one Murray's court awareness and groundgame is better than Hewitt's.

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The biggest difference is that Murray takes the pace of the ball then counterattacks while Hewitt tries to play offensive and stays closer to the baseline. Another one Murray's court awareness and groundgame is better than Hewitt's.
It is very important that when you compare these two players you are not thinking in the now. Hewitt was a bloodthirsty terror in his prime. He made Nadal look tame as far as intensity goes. Nadal will get pumped up but Hewitt wound go into these Rage modes. You could see fire in his eyes. He was like some kind of Autralian Devil. The Hewitt we see now is like a comatose victim compared to the Hewitt of old. I miss those days. Everybody hated Leyton. Even the Aussies. He ate it up. Hewitt fed off hatred.
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Re: Murray reminds me a lot of Hewitt in his prime

They are not alike, Hewitt is as pure a counterpuncher as they come whilst Murray is a complete player with more weaponry. Hewitt would like to have a game closer to Murray's now, that way he would have a chance to be competitive with Federer.
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They are not alike, Hewitt is as pure a counterpuncher as they come whilst Murray is a complete player with more weaponry. Hewitt would like to have a game closer to Murray's now, that way he would have a chance to be competitive with Federer.
Thats a little to simple. Hewitt had the ability to come forward and would do so often. He has exceptional volleys and his transition it good. The problem is the game has move forward into the courts more and become more powerful. Its a faster game. When leyton was in his prime was 10 years ago. Its a very different game now. Much, much faster. Its not as much a power thing as it it players all taking it early. Leyton has also lost a step due to age, injury, and getting married and having kids. This is one of the kisses of death for any professional athlete. Especially in tennis. Haveing kids usually signals the end of your career. Or at least the decline.
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Re: Murray reminds me a lot of Hewitt in his prime

Not a bad comparison. Hewitt is like a 'No frills' version of Murray. Same basic style, without the extra's.

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Hewitt was a more offensive counterpuncher. He'd stay neutral in a rally and really wait for the opponent to put something on a groundstroke or volley and then send it back with something extra on it (usually with pinpoint accuracy). That would produce a lot of winners for him.

Murray plays at times like that, but is little more passive, and is content to retrieve more and mix it up with some off pace junk balls.

Otoh, Murray has the capability (which Hewitt did not) to create his own pace and to actually hit offensive shots, (read he has more natural weaponry).
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One more thing I will say that Hewitt has over Murray is percentages. Hewitt is probably the greatest percentage player of all time. I have watched entire tournaments where Leyton does not make an error in shot selection. This is where I think his game is more disciplined. To beat Hewitt you had two options. Blow him off the court with insane power (safin like) or use angles and close (Rafter like). Hewitt never beat himself. Andy can let matches go sometimes.

I have always thought a good comparison to Murray is something more like Wilander in his prime on hard courts when he won the US Open. Just not as mentally strong. Not anywhere near Mats on clay either.
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Hewitt was a more offensive counterpuncher. He'd stay neutral in a rally and really wait for the opponent to put something on a groundstroke or volley and then send it back with something extra on it (usually with pinpoint accuracy). That would produce a lot of winners for him.

Murray plays at times like that, but is little more passive, and is content to retrieve more and mix it up with some off pace junk balls.

Otoh, Murray has the capability (which Hewitt did not) to create his own pace and to actually hit offensive shots, (read he has more natural weaponry).
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one more thing...

Hewitt - Overachieved
Murray - Underachieving...... so far, hes young. Then again so was Hewitt.
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Re: Murray reminds me a lot of Hewitt in his prime

Murray is also bigger and stronger, Hewitt was just too lightweight to beat Fed.

If you look at the retrievers and counterpunchers who have had some success against Fed, Nalbandian, Nadal, Murray, even Guillermo Cañas who beat 2007 Fed two weeks in a row, they are all heavier and stronger than Hewitt. They all belong to the 80kilos+ club.

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Hewitt - Overachieved
Murray - Underachieving...... so far, hes young. Then again so was Hewitt.
Is he really underachieving? Who was the last baseliner with such a weak forehand and second serve to win anything of note? I think he is doing pretty well considering those glaring weaknesses.

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Murray is also bigger and stronger, Hewitt was just too lightweight to beat Fed.

If you look at the retrievers and counterpunchers who have had some success against Fed, Nalbandian, Nadal, Murray, even Guillermo Cañas who beat 2007 Fed two weeks in a row, they are all heavier and stronger than Hewitt. They all belong to the 80kilos+ club.
1. Canas and Nalby aren't really much bigger than Hewitt especially Canas.
2. Since when did Nalby become a counterpuncher/retriever?

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