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If Murray Doesn't Win....

I know Murray is young and will have more chances to win his a slam. But if he doesn't win, will he develop a Safina like syndrome, choking in more major finals. I mean this stuff is heavy and weighs on you when you fail to win a big one when scheduling and everything has gone right for you. I mean Murray hasn't really been pushed, except maybe a little bit against Cilic. He should be fresh. If he can't beat a Federer, who may not be as motivated as before, then he may never win a slam.

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Doesn't it depend if he....actually chokes?

he might just be purely outplayed.

Look, if it's Federer, he's up against one of, if not the, best player of all time, a guy who knows how to win these things and what to do.

I believe that if Federer plays his best tennis, this match is out of Andy's hands, he doesn't get really any say over the outcome.

if he does actually, undeniably choke, then there may be a problem, a hangover in future, but he didn't choke in New York, he didn't play well enough for long enough to get in any kind of position to choke. he may not do again here, we'll have to see.
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Hes got four chances every year. Life is nothing more than a series of failures with brief moments of achievement. How you handle the failures detemines how many times you will have them. It will all be up to Andy in the end. Andy haveing the pressure of being the favorite in this tourny is a little premature and all media driven. Knowledgeable people in tennis know that he has yet to prove himself for it is only after you win one of these that you have shown you can do it. Until then its just speculation. I hope for the sake of the game that he does because not many players have have this ability. Whether Andy does remains to be scene.
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Murray is the hottest player on tour right now. Any outcome other than a win on Sunday is unfathomable right now. Don't fret, Murray WILL win. Even if he doesn't, he's not a mental midget like a Safina or Coria. He's got balls that one and he will be more determined than ever to wreck havoc on the tour. He has the game for it. I'm not in the least bit worried. This guy will win multiple slams. Believe it.
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I know Murray is young and will have more chances to win his a slam. But if he doesn't win, will he develop a Safina like syndrome, choking in more major finals. I mean this stuff is heavy and weighs on you when you fail to win a big one when scheduling and everything has gone right for you. I mean Murray hasn't really been pushed, except maybe a little bit against Cilic. He should be fresh. If he can't beat a Federer, who may not be as motivated as before, then he may never win a slam.
Yes, if Murray doesn't beat the best player to ever pick up a racket, he is automatically a choker.

Murray can lose to Federer without it being a choke.
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Relax. It's his second GS final. Lendl lost four before he clinched his first GS title, and then went on to win another seven of them.
I don't predict Murray to be another Lendl, but I'm pretty certain he will win a couple.
And BTW, Federer hasn't won his SF yet.

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Whether Andy does remains to be scene.
To be or not to be?
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I guess one shouldn't make comparisons between men and women. But take Safina. she lost to Serena when she was not a favorite. Then people said, she is definitely got French because she was the favorite, and she lost again. Now Andy is much stronger mentally than Safina or most players on men's tour. But didn't it take Agassi a bunch of tries to get over his failures. I am just saying. Andy is a great player but he is not too superior to his peers like Fed was over Roddick, Hewitt, and Safin. He'll have to contend with Nadal, Cilic, Delpotro, Djokovic, Tsonga, Monfils, and all these guys for years. So he'll most likely won't have an easy way to slams if he misses his chances now.

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Murray is the hottest player on tour right now. Any outcome other than a win on Sunday is unfathomable tight now. Don't fret, Murray WILL win. Even if he doesn't, he's not a mental midget like a Safina or Coria. He's got balls that one and he will be more determined than ever to wreck havoc on the tour. He has the game for it. I'm not in the least bit worried. This guy will win multiple slams. Believe it.
It does not really matter what we believe. It does not matter what Federer or Tsonga believes. It is all about what Andy believes. He is the underdog in this match. He has one zero majors and beat one top ten player to get to the finals. Andy really has no business winning this match on paper but fortunatley for his sake tennis does not work like that.
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I believe that if Federer plays his best tennis, this match is out of Andy's hands, he doesn't get really any say over the outcome.
I think that's an oversimplification. It's not a case of two players turning up and playing separate matches. How one plays depends on the other. There's so much more to it than turning up and hoping to play your best. Players can have an impact on the level of their opponent.
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I think if Fed goes to final, motivation will be a factor. I was surprised that Fed didn't get emotional with Del Potro in that final. I mean he had that match won when served for the 2nd set. He choked there. He could choke against Andy. But Andy needs to put him in the position to choke. One thing is for certain though. Andy won't fail to win a game for an hour like Mr. Personality.

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Safina will win her slams.

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I think that's an oversimplification. It's not a case of two players turning up and playing separate matches. How one plays depends on the other. There's so much more to it than turning up and hoping to play your best. Players can have an impact on the level of their opponent.
of course they can and I'm not to claim otherwise. I just feel that if Fed is firing at the top of his game, he can and will find answers to everything Andy throws at him.

However, in truth, I don't expect Federer to be at his very best in the final, should he get there - he hasn't been for the last 4 at least.
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of course they can and I'm not to claim otherwise. I just feel that if Fed is firing at the top of his game, he can and will find answers to everything Andy throws at him.

However, in truth, I don't expect Federer to be at his very best in the final, should he get there - he hasn't been for the last 4 at least.
I completely agree with you. I mean think about it. Federer is the better player on the paper even now. If this was 2 years ago, this final would be so one sided. However, Fed has won everything. His No. 1 is guaranteed for now. And he has been somewhat sub-par in his last 4 slams. Ironically, the last time he was great in a slam was against Murray. But, to quote Randy Couture here, when you lose to someone and go at it again, it's more difficult for the winner to strategize. You don't want to change a winning strategy. But Andy could be up to something new. I want Fed to win but I think Andy might win it in 4

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of course they can and I'm not to claim otherwise. I just feel that if Fed is firing at the top of his game, he can and will find answers to everything Andy throws at him.

However, in truth, I don't expect Federer to be at his very best in the final, should he get there - he hasn't been for the last 4 at least.
The point I'm making is that one of Andy's strengths is his ability to drag the level of his opponent down. If it was a straight game of attacking tennis, played instinctively, I'd agree that Murray has no say if Federer plays his best.

There are too many variables to consider when you try to mentally match up the best of two players. For that reason, I don't like saying that a match is out of a player's hands under certain circumstances.
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