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Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Hewitt has lost in majors 9 times to the eventual winner.

'04 AO (4th round)
'04 RG (quarters)
'04 Wimbledon (quarters)
'04 USO (finals)
'05 AO (finals)
'05 Wimbledon (semis)
'05 USO (semis)
'06 RG (4th round)
'07 RG (4th round)

Hewitt has also lost 5 times to the eventual finalist.

'02 USO (semis)
'03 USO (quarters)
'06 USO (quarters)
'08 Wimbledon (4th round)
'09 Wimbledon (quarters)



i am guessing the record (at least in the open era) is probably Lendl or Connors, but does anyone here (maybe Voo or NYC or CmonAussie) know?
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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

You forgot 08 AO.
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You forgot 08 AO.
And 09 US Open where he lost to Roger.

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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Roddick has lost 10 times to the eventual champion:

2001 Wimby R3 (Ivanisevic)
2001 USO QF (Hewitt)
2002 USO QF (Sampras)
2003 Wimby SF
2004 Wimby F
2005 Wimby F
2006 USO F
2007 AO SF
2007 USO QF
2009 Wimby F

(last 7 were all against Federer)


And 5 times to the runner-up:

2003 AO SF
2004 AO QF
2005 AO SF
2006 AO R4
2009 AO SF
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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Federer has 9 losses from what I know:

2005 AO SF
2005 RG SF
2006 RG F
2007 RG F
2008 AO SF
2008 RG F
2008 W F
2009 AO F
2009 US F

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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

I was bored, sue me...

Obviously, Ivan Lendl has lost 14 slam finals, which already puts him ahead of Hewitt, but here is the full list:

1) 1980 US QF - John McEnroe
2) 1981 RG F - Bjorn Borg
3) 1982 RG R16 - Mats Wilander
4) 1982 US F - Jimmy Connors
5) 1983 RG QF - Yannick Noah
6) 1983 W SF - John McEnroe
7) 1983 US F - Jimmy Connors
8) 1983 AO F - Mats Wilander
9) 1984 US F - John McEnroe
10) 1985 RG F - Mats Wilander
11) 1985 AO F - Stefan Edberg
12) 1986 W F - Ivan Lendl
13) 1987 W F - Pat Cash
14) 1988 US F - Mats Wilander
15) 1989 RG R16 - Michael Chang
16) 1989 W SF - Boris Becker
17) 1989 US F - Boris Becker
18) 1990 W SF - Stefan Edberg
19) 1990 US QF - Pete Sampras
20) 1991 AO F - Boris Becker
21) 1991 US SF - Stefan Edberg
22) 1992 US QF - Stefan Edberg
23) 1994 AO R16 - Pete Sampras

23 losses to tennis legends!
Lendl either won a slam, or lost to the eventual champion for 13 consecutive years.
In 1983, Lendl lost to the eventual champion at every slam!

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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Shame there aren't any Lendl-trolls - otherwise we could have a thread entitled, "How many grand slams would Lendl have won without Borg, McEnroe, Connors, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, & Sampras?" Seriously though, that's an impressive roll-call of losses.

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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Between the active players

Hewitt, Roddick with 10
Federer, Ferrero with 9
Haas with 8
and surprisingly Djokovic with 7
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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Henman had 10 I think

95 Wimbledon R2 (Sampras)
98 Wimbledon SF (Sampras)
99 Wimbledon SF (Sampras)
01 Wimbledon SF (Ivanisevic)
02 Wimbledon SF (Hewitt)
03 French R3 (Ferrero)
03 US Open R1 (Roddick)
04 US Open SF (Federer)
06 Wimbledon R2 (Federer)
06 US Open R2 (Federer)
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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Here's Agassi:

1) 1988 RG SF - Mats Wilander
2) 1990 RG F - Andres Gomez
3) 1990 US F - Pete Sampras
4) 1991 RG F - Jim Courier
5) 1992 US SF - Jim Courier
6) 1993 W QF - Pete Sampras
7) 1995 US F - Pete Sampras
8) 1997 US R16 - Pat Rafter
9) 1999 W F - Pete Sampras
10) 2002 US F - Pete Sampras
11) 2004 US QF - Roger Federer
12) 2005 US F - Roger Federer

Not nearly as often as I expected. Agassi was often beaten by the eventual losing finalist.

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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Jimmy Connors (before LiptonIce!)

1) 1973 US QF - John Newcombe
2) 1975 W F - Arthur Ashe
3) 1975 US F - Manuel Orantes
4) 1977 W F - Bjorn Borg
5) 1977 US F - Guillermo Vilas
6) 1978 W F - Bjorn Borg
7) 1979 W SF - Bjorn Borg
8) 1979 US SF - John McEnroe
9) 1980 US SF - John McEnroe
10) 1984 W F - John McEnroe
11) 1984 US SF - John McEnroe
12) 1985 US SF - Ivan Lendl
13) 1987 W SF - Pat Cash
14) 1987 US SF - Ivan Lendl

Surprisingly few, for such a long and outstanding career!

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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Edberg, Becker and Wilander might be interesting too.
Maybe Gerulaitis has more than 10, most against Borg?

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Re: Most Times Lost to the Eventual Winner?

Ivan lost 11 GS finals

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Ivan lost 11 GS finals


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Ivan lost 11 GS finals

Doesn't change my argument though.


I like the idea of counting the number of times a player has lost to the eventual GS champion.

I've created a spreadsheet and started filling in all the players who lost to the eventual GS champ from 2006 until 2009.
Here are the first results.

7 times:

Federer

6 times:

Djokovic

5 times:

Haas

4 times:

Roddick

3 times:

Nadal
Soderling
Del Potro
Hewitt
Davydenko

I will continue to work on the spreadsheet and post the final results here and in the statistics forum.

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