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I think he got overexcited while making what he thought was a big time observation.
Couldn't have put it better myself
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Good post. I guess I need to clarify a little more. When I say weak I am refering to the mental side of the game. Athletes are deffinitly better now. Pretty much everyone can move well and has big shots. Players are bigger, faster, stonger,bigger serves, better returns,etc et. The mental side is weak now. A lot of crybabies out there that cannot handle a bad call (gonzalez, roddick). Also had vastly different styles of play then. There were quite a few serve and volleyers.
Older generation tennis players were manly men, today we have dude's that wish they were in the WTA, some even play like they want it at times.
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Older generation tennis players were manly men, today we have dude's that wish they were in the WTA, some even play like they want it at times.
Could not agree more. Two most dominant players of the last five years...

Federer- carries a purse on court
Nadal- wears capries

Then you got guys like Feliciano Lopez....WTF is that a guy? How the hell did we go from Edberg, lendle, Conners, Rafter, Sampras to purses, capris, and photo shoots where you dress up like a woman. Thank god Hewitts still around. It looks like Cilic is old school too.
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Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

Right, only fanbois think that he's the GOAT. 15 slams, no?
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Could not agree more. Two most dominant players of the last five years...

Federer- carries a purse on court
Nadal- wears capries

Then you got guys like Feliciano Lopez....WTF is that a guy? How the hell did we go from Edberg, lendle, Conners, Rafter, Sampras to purses, capris, and photo shoots where you dress up like a woman. Thank god Hewitts still around. It looks like Cilic is old school too.
Its not a purse! its European!

I like Federer's game and personality, hes not trying to be a male model, he focuses on tennis. He has a lot of sponsors because he has won a lot and is popular, he was shy and quiet when he first started out and people called him boring and that he would never be a huge star around the world. He let his tennis talent do the talking and got noticed.

I think Federer has somewhat of an old school attitude but hes older and more comfortable in front of the spot light, but i would not call Fed a diva.
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Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

This thread has some good classic hits.
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Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

Brad Gilbert using hyperbole....big surprise there.
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I tend to think there's some truth to what he says, although it's clearly exaggerated.

Specific dates aren't terribly helpful though, you often end up with "names" in the top15 who were past it at that time or not yet any good. If you look back in 10 years time, Gulbis may have a slam, and 80ish would suddenly look "strong".

95 was also between two eras - early 90s were very strong with the old guard 80s guys still around, Edberg and Becker, Courier at his best, Sampras and Agassi just arriving. However, the late 90s were pretty poor though (Mal Washington and Rusedski in slam finals, rofl).

Also easy to pick to make particular years look bad. For example, end of year rankings for 97 had Chang at 3, Bjorkman at 4, Rusedski at 6, none of whom would make top10 now. At the same time you had Philippousis at 18, at that stage nowhere near a top player, and Courier at 21, well past it (he would drop out of the top100 in 98).
Prime Chang , Rusedski ,and Bjorkman would be easily top10. 25year old Rusedski would hold his own against anyone , any today players.

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Prime Chang , Rusedski ,and Bjorkman would be easily top10. 25year old Rusedski would hold his own against anyone , any today players.
Prime Chang was just another Hewitt, Rudedski was a poor man's Henman.
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I'm pretty sure that Brad Gilbert said yesterday that Roger Federer is the only guy with a good one-handed backhand anymore.

I think that's enough to confirm that Brad Gilbert doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
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I'm pretty sure that Brad Gilbert said yesterday that Roger Federer is the only guy with a good one-handed backhand anymore.

I think that's enough to confirm that Brad Gilbert doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
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Who else is there?
Gasguet, Almagro, Haas, Lubicek, Blake etc. There are more. lots of good one handeres out there. Brads an Idiot. Too much meth does that to people.

Dont forget the rock solid consistancy of one handers like Lopez. The would hang with any of the all time great one handers IE Rusedski, Daniel Vachek etc.
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Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

I think he is correct in that the game is deeper. Players ranked in the hundreds still have huge game nowadays.

People are throwing names like Haas and Gilbert,Henmen being in top 5as proof that past eras were weak. But what if Murray turns out to be a flop? people will look bakc and say "Damn how on earth did a terrible player like Murray get to #2? 2009 must have been one weak year of tennis." Not a great indicator

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Who else is there?
The other Swiss?
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Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

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Who else is there?
Wawrinka, Gasquet, and Haas all have better backhands than Federer. Kohlschreiber and Almagro also have good backhands.

Federer's backhand is not one of the best one-handed backhands by any stretch.
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