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Why is no one ever clutch?

Every time a player comes back from being down a set or two to win (eg Federer, many times in Grand Slams), the automatic MTF response is that the loser choked it away. Watching Andreev on set points in the third set yesterday, I can understand that is sometimes true...but I can't say I have ever seen someone say that the winner was simply clutch. This seems to fit in with the overal MTF logic that every player is a clown/joker/mug/etc.

Forgive my semi-rant, but what do you think?
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people just dont like to see their favourite player lose so they blame it on a mental breakdown of some sort instead of just accepting that he wasnt good enough
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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

It's mostly defensive/passive players who ARE clutch as they just wait for an error by a choker who's hit the lines all game except for big points.

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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

If someone was always clutch, they will always win

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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

This is MTF, home of the uneducated haters. What do you expect? 90% of what you read in a match thread is utter bullshit anyway.
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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

People do seem to cry choke very often. A lot of the time they are right but I don't blame the athletes as so much (prize money, sponsorship, ranking points etc) depends on some very important points in matches. I didn't see it but apparently Muller's quarter-final run at the 2008 US Open was clutch (and the score lines certainly back that up). Federer's match point save in the fourth set of the 2008 Wimbledon final was definitely clutch too because Nadal played a very solid point.

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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

Nadal was infuriatingly clutch saving break points in the 2007 Roland Garros final. Federer was pretty clutch against most players at his peak.

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Every time a player comes back from being down a set or two to win (eg Federer, many times in Grand Slams), the automatic MTF response is that the loser choked it away. Watching Andreev on set points in the third set yesterday, I can understand that is sometimes true...but I can't say I have ever seen someone say that the winner was simply clutch. This seems to fit in with the overal MTF logic that every player is a clown/joker/mug/etc.

Forgive my semi-rant, but what do you think?
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people just dont like to see their favourite player lose so they blame it on a mental breakdown of some sort instead of just accepting that he wasnt good enough
I agree on this for the most, but not in every case. At times it should be possible to just admit that an opponent choked against a fav player of yours. I personally have no difficulty in admitting that I think Andreev at least choked for a bit against Federer yesterday, just like Almagro's most recent loss against Nadal was a choke job as well.
It doesn't take anything away from the fact that in both cases my favs managed to pull out the victory eventually.

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I agree on this for the most, but not in every case. At times it should be possible to just admit that an opponent choked against a fav player of yours. I personally have no difficulty in admitting that I think Andreev at least choked for a bit against Federer yesterday, just like Almagro's most recent loss against Nadal was a choke job as well.
It doesn't take anything away from the fact that in both cases my favs managed to pull out the victory eventually.
i agree there are exceptions but i think the definition of the word 'choke' where no credit is given at all to the winner is used far too often on mtf than it should. most players choke on their opponents not inside their heads
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That's because 99% of posters on MTF are total assholes who would die than admit that their favored player lost because he deserved to.

MTF is the best terrible representation of the sorry state of humanity we live in.

The only appropriate response to such scum is to be an asshole yourself and call them out on such ridiculous BS and verbally drag them out in the streets and kick them in the balls.
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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

It's the nature of players to feels pressure on the big points. Some handle it better than others even at the highest level. Nole, Fed and Rafa are probably the best at maintaining composure under duress. Maybe that has something to do with their fine records and maybe this is the rarest characteristic of all, even rarer than pure talent? Course those guys have both. Especially Fed. Del Potro comes to mind as well. I miss him.

"Fear is the mind killer" etc..
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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

Because posters on MTF only see things the way they want to see things. Incapable of giving a player they hate any credit at all, and incapable of being objective about their favorite player. There are a lot of tape recorder posters that come into the same player's post match thread with the same comments every single time. It's become a habit for them.
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Re: Why is no one ever clutch?

Matches being won because of being clutch are way less common than matches being lost because of choking- simple as that. Of course, people are unequivocally clutch sometimes- Isner is a lot, saving BPs with aces. And sometimes it's a mix of the two- Ferrer losing that second set today was. Isner played the MPs great, but the depth Ferrer had had all match disappeared and he threw in a double fault at deuce. But at best most being clutch is a mix of that and an opponent's choking. It's just a fact that most players do NOT play better under pressure, they crack.



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