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Group A scenarios

Federer 2 wins, 4-2 sets, 32-22 games
Murray 1 win, 3-3 sets, 25-26 games
Del Potro 1 win, 3-3 sets, 27-31 games
Verdasco 0 wins, 2-4 sets, 28-33 games


All 4 players can still qualify.


A. Federer beats Del Potro. Federer tops the group.

A.1. If Murray beats Verdasco, then he qualifies as 2nd.

A.2. If Murray loses to Verdasco in 2, then Verdasco qualifies.

A.3. If Murray loses to Verdasco in 3:
A.3.1. If Del Potro loses to Federer in 2, then Verdasco qualifies.
A.3.2. If Del Potro loses to Federer in 3, then the games ratio decides.


B. Federer loses to Del Potro. Verdasco is out.

B.1. If Murray loses to Verdasco, then Del Potro, Federer qualify. (in that order)

B.2. If Murray beats Verdasco in 2, then Murray, Del Potro qualify.

B.3. If Murray beats Verdasco in 3:
B.3.1. If Federer loses to Del Potro in 2, then Del Potro, Murray qualify.
B.3.2. If Federer loses to Del Potro in 3, then the games ratio decides.


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A.3.2 and B.3.2 coming later. Stay tuned... LOL

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Re: Group A scenarios

thats bullshit.
if fed and murray are both 2-1
and fed has beaten murray, andy can still advance?
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thats bullshit.
if fed and murray are both 2-1
and fed has beaten murray, andy can still advance?
Yes, on the account of better set win/loss ratio.

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thats bullshit.
if fed and murray are both 2-1
and fed has beaten murray, andy can still advance?
Ofcourse, Andy has two wins then, won't he? And Potro and Verdasco none.
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thats bullshit.
if fed and murray are both 2-1
and fed has beaten murray, andy can still advance?
h2h only splits a two-way tie on wins, not a three-way.
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h2h only splits a two-way tie on wins, not a three-way.
yeah i forgot.
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Re: Group A scenarios

What about group B.

Is there any possible way for Djokovic to not qualify? god dammit...

Federer vs. Djokovic is the final, GET VENGENCE for Basel Roger. Shred that punk-ass serbian!
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Re: Group A scenarios

No wonder the round robbin idea never became popular.
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No wonder the round robbin idea never became popular.
On the contrary, this calculating is great!
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Re: Group A scenarios

What About Group B

Someone Tell Us.
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What About Group B

Someone Tell Us.
It is too early for group B. Too many combinations. Wait till tomorrow.

There are only 2 very different types of scenarios: one is like in group A, where all kind of weird things are possible. But, consider for example, in group B:

If Nole beats Soderling, and Davy beats Rafa - then it is *extremely* simple: Nole is 1st, Rafa is out - and the winner of Soderling-Davy is 2nd. Nole-Rafa is a 'dead match'.

Also, if Soderling beats Nole, and Rafa beats Davy - again, very simple: Soderling is 1st, Davy is out, and the winner of Nole-Rafa is 2nd. (Soderling-Davy is a 'dead match')

So there are 2 really simple sets of scenarios. Complications occur in the other 2 sets: if Nole beats Soderling, and Rafa beats Davy OR if Soderling beats Nole, and Davy beats Rafa.

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A.3.1. If Del Potro loses to Federer in 2, then Verdasco qualifies
Verdasco must beat Murray with game difference more than 2 games to qualify in this scenario.

Fill-In-The-Draw (FITD) : (As of 16 May 11)
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F : Toronto 10
SF : Memphis 10 - Indian Wells10 - Halle 10 - Cincinnati 10
QF : Hamburg 10 - Shanghai 10 - WTF 10 (7th)
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B.2. If Murray beats Verdasco in 2, then Murray, Del Potro qualify.
This happens only if Del Potro beats Federer in 2.
But If Del Potro beats Federer in 3 , then Murray qualifies & Federer mostly qualifies by game difference ... because Delpotro in this case needs to beat Federer with a difference of 8 games & this is very difficult to occur in a three-set match.

Fill-In-The-Draw (FITD) : (As of 16 May 11)
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F : Toronto 10
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QF : Hamburg 10 - Shanghai 10 - WTF 10 (7th)
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Re: Group A scenarios

In my opinion the best Masters solution was in New York in 1986 (but it was Masters '85 actually). 16 players in the draw, the winner of the tournament had to win 4 matches in a row with "the best of 5" final

I don't like RR system because usually the tournament wins a player with one defeat. Sometimes it's a tank like last year when Djokovic didn't even try in the 3rd set against Tsonga because he had already been 1st in his group.

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Verdasco must beat Murray with game difference more than 2 games to qualify in this scenario.
Not just game difference though, it's games won % :-)) Could be some odd scenarios, eg: Fed d. DelPot 6-3 6-3 would leave the group like this before the Murray/Verdasco match ....


Player-Wins-set%-(games)

Federer 3 75% (44/71 62%)
Murray 1 50% (25/51 49%)
DelPot 1 38% (33/76 43%) <----out on sets rule
Verdy 0 33% (26/60 43%)


Murray then qualifies with a win obviously, and Verdasco with a 2-0 win on the sets rule. If Verdasco wins 2-1, he splits with Murray on games. So....


Verdasco wins 64 46 64 - Murray on 48.15% games, Verdy 46.67%
Verdasco wins 63 36 63 - Murray on 47.44% games, Verdy 47.13%
Verdasco wins 62 26 62 - Murray on 46.67% games, Verdy 47.62%


Brutal narrow margins for whoever loses in this sort of result :-)

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