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Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

well, the stats might suggest the opposite but if we take a deeper look, here's the story so far.......

before federer won the FO this year, federer fans used to come up every time with the 3 runner plates that he held in 2006, 2007 and 2008 in defense of his clay superiority.......but what really went unnoticed was the fact that djokovic too was stopped only by nadal in all those years.......once in the quarters and twice in the semis.......i think that's quite impressive from djokovic considering his young age and he started peaking just last year.......it was plain bad luck to end up on nadal's half of the draw all the time.......

during his early 20s, federer was no where as consistent as djokovic on clay.......not until he reached 23, 24 that federer slowly started playing well on it and to his advantage he was facing a young and an inexperienced nadal and still kept losing to him easily most of the times.......djokovic had to face already well established nadal.......

before this year's french open, djokovic and rafa had two epic battles in montecarlo and madrid, both times just the better player won.......one more defeat for djokovic in between in rome.......as a result, djokovic ran out of energy(physical and emotional) by the time of french open while rafa was already carrying an injury........to federer's credit, he took the advantage and bagged the french title.......but truth remains that he did not beat any big clay courter and either of his two major rivals(and only other real contenders for the slam) on his way to the victory........it was rafa-djokovic show all along the clay season until the french open and it wasn't like federer outplayed them to win the french.......

stats wise, federer has numbers on his side but speaking from heart, i feel djokovic is better than federer on clay.......even in their only battle on clay this year in rome, it was djokovic who emerged victorious.......no one apart from rafa could challenge him on clay this year(even last year) and ironically to his own bad, he played too good right through out the clay season and ran out of gas at a crucial juncture.......

djokovic definitely promises a lot more on clay and honestly, he is posing rafa more problems on clay than federer did.......discuss.......
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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

Federer is slightly better, but Djokovic is a better player on any surface than Federer was at his age.
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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

Peaking age differs from player to player. Yes Novak does not have a style that is physically demanding but he tend to get inconsistent at times. Federer unquestionably the 2nd best on Clay at this point.
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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

let's see: a guy who has 5 MS shields on clay, 6 MS runner ups, 3 RG RUP and 1 RG victory vs a guy who has 1 MS and two MS runner-ups

the guy who won a MS shield this year in clay against the clay master vs a guy who has never been able to defeat said master in the surface

Nole is like 8-0 to Rafa on clay and has never managed to take a title out of him, no matter how injured or tired Rafa was, while Roger has gotten two masters series on clay (one of which was this year in Spain) out of Rafa

Roger doesn't lose to the likes of Kohli in RG, even after super painful losses in the surface (Rome 2006 rings a bell? he had two match points and still lose to Rafa, yet he managed to reach the final of RG that year for the first time)

I can kinda give the edge to Nole in hard due to his recent form (though his HC slam performance wasn't the best) but on clay and grass Roger is still much better than him

On HC, I think Nole is definitely gonna be one of Rafa's nightmare match-ups, but in clay? as bad as the fedal match-up is for Roger, he still has more chance on clay than Nole 95% of the time

and for Federer not facing any big clay-courter, well, is it his fault that Nole lost to Kohli and Rafa to Toad? a player can only beat what is in front of him

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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

Fed is better but Djokovic is much improved.
This coming year should be very interesting.
We'll see what DelPo brings to the table.
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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

I'm glad someone else appreciates how accomplished Djokovic is on clay. He's only really had one bad loss on the surface in the last two years (Roland Garros this year). Away from the pressure of Grand Slams, I believe that Djokovic is the second best player on clay.

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even in their only battle on clay this year in rome, it was djokovic who emerged victorious
2006 MC R64 Fed vs Djo 6-3,2-6,6-3
2008 MC SF Fed vs Djo 6-3,3-2 RET

As for this year's Rome, should Fed showed up at at least 70%, Nole had been toast...

Anyway, Djokovic will win one RG in his career..He has the weapons to do it, even against Nadal 2.0, who is the present and future (and lesser) version of Nadal '05-'08.

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Federer is better mentally, so even if Djokovic has the right game to dominate clay, I guess that doesn't matter if he mentally cannot handle a slam :I
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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

Oh no, my dear Start de game, Roger is still much better than Nole on clay, reached RG finals for 4 consecutive times

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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

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2006 MC R64 Fed vs Djo 6-3,2-6,6-3
2008 MC SF Fed vs Djo 6-3,3-2 RET

As for this year's Rome, should Fed showed up at at least 70%, Nole had been toast...

Anyway, Djokovic will win one RG in his career..He has the weapons to do it, even against Nadal 2.0, who is the present and future (and lesser) version of Nadal '05-'08.
Of course, this years' Rome is not legitimate because Federer was crap, but 2006 one is perfectly legitimate when Novak was still 18.

Sure, Novak is not better right now, obvious from results. But he has potential to be.
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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

Talent and play style it would have to go to Djokovic. Results speak differently though. At least Djokovic does have a few more years than Federer left.
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Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay ? No. Could he be ? Possibly.

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Re: Is Djokovic better than Federer on Clay?

last year djoker was still playing hardcourt tennis on clay. he was hugging the baseline, taking the ball rather early, and going for overpowering opponents rater than trying to construct an opening or force an error with patience and technique. this year I saw something different, and got the feeling it was partly a result of his racket change. this new stick appears to provide additional control on spin, and he is playing with more spin on both hardcourts and clay. now this might not be a good thing, but depending how a player employs it it can pay off. so to me it looks like starting from this season, djoker has a better clay game than fed.

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their match this year isnt a good example of their clay matchup cause they were both gone missing in action, but how they play against nadal, djoker simply looks to have a better chance, barring stamina (which fed was always better at). their last years MC match was a clinic administered by fed, where djoker dully pussied out.

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let's see: a guy who has 5 MS shields on clay, 6 MS runner ups, 3 RG RUP and 1 RG victory vs a guy who has 1 MS and two MS runner-ups

the guy who won a MS shield this year in clay against the clay master vs a guy who has never been able to defeat said master in the surface

Nole is like 8-0 to Rafa on clay and has never managed to take a title out of him, no matter how injured or tired Rafa was, while Roger has gotten two masters series on clay (one of which was this year in Spain) out of Rafa

Roger doesn't lose to the likes of Kohli in RG, even after super painful losses in the surface (Rome 2006 rings a bell? he had two match points and still lose to Rafa, yet he managed to reach the final of RG that year for the first time)

I can kinda give the edge to Nole in hard due to his recent form (though his HC slam performance wasn't the best) but on clay and grass Roger is still much better than him

On HC, I think Nole is definitely gonna be one of Rafa's nightmare match-ups, but in clay? as bad as the fedal match-up is for Roger, he still has more chance on clay than Nole 95% of the time

and for Federer not facing any big clay-courter, well, is it his fault that Nole lost to Kohli and Rafa to Toad? a player can only beat what is in front of him
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