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Seems like a lot of question marks in London...

Federer: Hasn't done well lately, losing horribly to Djokovic in the finals of his native Basel and losing even more horribly to Julien Benneteau in the 2nd round of Paris. Can he beat the likes of Murray, Del Potro, and Verdasco? I say he wins over at least the last two and a decent chance over Murray too. He does know how to step it up for the big events (i.e. 22 consecutive GS SFs). Federer to be in the SF.

Nadal: Injured, not 100% yet, and hasn't won an event since May. He has to face Djokovic, Davydenko, and Soderling. Three guys who have all beaten him convincingly this year. Can he beat any of the three? I say he wins at most against two of these guys. While he has made the SF the two times he played (in 2006 and 2007), he was in better form than now and wasn't getting thrashed by the likes of Djokovic and Davydenko. Rafa 50/50 to make the SF.

Djokovic: He appears to be the smallest question mark of all. He has won three of the past four events he's entered and leads the ATP with his 76-18 record. This makes Djokovic the winningest man of the ATp in 2009 and currently the hotest on tour. Given his dominance over Nadal lately you'd think he can beat him, but what about against Davydenko and Soderling? I say he wins 2 or 3 of his matches and advances to the SF.

Murray: His wrist gave him trouble a few months ago and he still doesn't seem to be 100%, but Murray is a true fighter. He will have the pressure to win in London more than the others being British, but if anyone can pull it off it's Murray. You have to like his chances against an injured Del Potro and Verdasco, but can he beat Federer who thrashed him 6-2 7-6 in Cincinnati? I say there's a very good chance Murray advances to the SF.

Del Potro: Perhaps he is the biggest question mark of the 8 contestants in London. Since winning the 2009 USO over Federer, Del Potro has gone 2-3 and retired twice. He has been very injured, ineffective, and losing against guys he would normally beat. Del Potro has a good chance of beating Verdasco, but beating Federer and Murray is going to be a tall task (no pun intended). I say there's virtually no chance Del Potro makes the SF and might pull out with an injury.

Davydenko: He has been healthy all year no doubt and held his own against the likes of Nadal and Djokovic, but Davydenko has never to date been one who is known to win the big matches. He has handled Nadal well on hardvourts usually, but this is a major event and it is possible Davydenko will fold. Djokovic is going to be hard to beat, but Soderling he has a good chance to beat. I say he wins 2 matches at most and is 50/50 to make the SF; the same as Nadal.

Verdasco: Health hasn't really been an issue for Verdasco and his SF against Nadal at the AO showed that he really can be a force on hardcourts. However, the fact that he is 1-10 combined against his three opponents doesn't bode very well for Verdasco. Verdasco is going to have his hands full with Federer and Murray and even Del Potro won't make it easy for him most likely. I say Verdasco losses all three matches and absolutely will not make the SF.

Soderling: He makes it into London due to the withdrawal of Roddick and himself was recently battling injury, but his strong performance at Paris and making the FO finals are big reasons why he's qualified for London. He's going to face a Nadal who wants revenge for his FO loss to Soderling, a red hot Djokovic, and a decent opponent in Davydenko. I think Soderling will go 0-3 or 1-2 and fail to qualify for the SF.

Tsonga: He's the first alternate, has been mostly healthy this year, and is keeping himself in shape this week in case someone (i.e. Del Potro) pulls out with an injury and he can step in and take over. He's lost to Verdasco, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Murray, and Soderling this year, but has also beaten Djokovic and amazingly Federer in Montreal. Given his losses to 6 of the guys in this event this year, Tsonga if he gets to play will likely fail to make the SF.

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Murray: .....but can he beat Federer who thrashed him 6-2 7-6 in Cincinnati? I say there's a very good chance Murray advances to the SF.
That result didn't mean much I think - Canada winners usually struggle physically in Cinci, and Murray was already falling off the form tree in earlier matches (didn't impress much against Almugro, and was awful against Benneteau).

Wouldn't be surprised to see Federer beat him in London though. Murray has really struggled to find any range since his comeback, and isn't mentally match sharp either - every match he has awful wobbles.


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Davydenko: I say he wins 2 matches at most and is 50/50 to make the SF; the same as Nadal.
I have a hunch this is another falling off the form tree. Obviously the tank in Moscow meant nothing, but he didn't look too clever in Valencia against Monaco or GGL, and he went utterly error-crazy against Youzhny.


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I say Verdasco losses all three matches and absolutely will not make the SF.
Yup. Verdasco is 9/54 career against top10, and has lost 12 in a row. Even an atrociously rusty Murray had relatively little trouble with him, and that in Spain. On top of that, he looked physically wrecked in Paris.


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Soderling: He makes it into London due to the withdrawal of Roddick and himself was recently battling injury, but his strong performance at Paris and making the FO finals are big reasons why he's qualified for London. He's going to face a Nadal who wants revenge for his FO loss to Soderling, a red hot Djokovic, and a decent opponent in Davydenko. I think Soderling will go 0-3 or 1-2 and fail to qualify for the SF.
Might depend on whether his third match the opponent has nothing to play for. He's got a great record against Davydenko, winning 5 of the last 6 (the sole loss being in KL this year, when Sod was a tiebreak away from winning in straights). Djoko is difficult for him though, so needs to meet him after he's qualified - however if Sod wins his opener vs Nadal, he likely plays Djoko 2nd, then Davy third.

Wasn't impressed with Sod against Djoko though - Djoko looked like he'd given up and was doing a traditional top player Paris flop. Soderling just suddenly blew up in the third set though, hitting nearly everything long or into the net. Complete mental collapse, worryingly "old Soderling" style. Same story vs Lopez in the Shanghai quarters - same situation too, a sf with Nadal his for the taking, and thus a strong chance at a final.

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Re: Seems like a lot of question marks in London...

Federer and Djokovic are the most likely winners here , hope I'm wrong and theres a lot of upsets
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Verdasco: Health hasn't really been an issue for Verdasco
Verdasco is carrying a foot injury for some time and he will need surgery after the end of the season. It is a minor one and he was able to postpone the action on it for after the Masters, but still it is some kind of a setback for a physical player like him.

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Re: Seems like a lot of question marks in London...

The only question mark in my mind here is Del Potro

He's been hiding his game like a pro poker player, or is he that muhc low in form?
Or is the injury situation bothering him still?

He's very hard to read right now.

The rest is clear at first sight. I expect Nole to exit the group but only this. He should be the one with most fatigue accumulation.

Muzza is a contender, Fedex is the main favourit, the rest - anything could happen but they'll need a lot of luck. Rafa included, even though he's always a semi final material, even in this unconvincing form.

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I expect the top 4 to make the semis, but with a bit of a question mark between Murray and Del Potro.
There might be some strategic tanking in the last of the RR matches.

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Rafa's hardest work will be in the round-robin, not so much the semi, I don't think he would mind playing Federer/Murray
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Rafa's hardest work will be in the round-robin, not so much the semi, I don't think he would mind playing Federer/Murray
I actually think Fed would love to play Nadal here.
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I actually think Fed would love to play Nadal here.
agreed...Fed has moonabller figured out, as it was evidently shown in the clay Masters final

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agreed...Fed has moonabller figured out, as it was evidently shown in the clay Masters final
Yeah, he finally figured out how to play him! For n-th time. Until their next match, though.

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agreed...Fed has moonabller figured out, as it was evidently shown in the clay Masters final
So did he lose to Soderling at RG because of knees or because Soderling worked him out too? 4 straight French Opens and then BOOM! FEDERER WORKED IT OUT! BOOM! SODERLING WORKED IT OUT! BOOM! DJOKOVIC SUDDENLY HURTING HIM ON CLAY! yeah rigggggggggggggggggght.....
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So did he lose to Soderling at RG because of knees or because Soderling worked him out too? 4 straight French Opens and then BOOM! FEDERER WORKED IT OUT! BOOM! SODERLING WORKED IT OUT! BOOM! DJOKOVIC SUDDENLY HURTING HIM ON CLAY! yeah rigggggggggggggggggght.....
I sense a lot of desperation in your post, Nadulltard And posting in capitals simply proves your insecurity...

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I sense a lot of desperation in your post, Nadulltard And posting in capitals simply proves your insecurity...
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL nadaltard? Good luck trying to prove that with my post history
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Well Rafa is 0-2 against Roger in indoors, so I guess you can give Fed the edge in here at least

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