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The Chinese offensive for the 5th Slam...a far-fetched scenario ?

Some time ago I heard my countryman, El Mafioso for GMers, Ion Tiriac (Madrid license holder), saying that the chinese offensive over big stage tennis is growing stronger.

They already have the biggest ATP500 tourney (Beijing) and one ATP1000 - Shanghai.

Seeing the money they put into Beijing, it is not such a far-fetched idea that, in 10-12 years time, we could have a 5th grand slam in China.

Can ATP and ITF resist to such a big amount of pressure from the market? (as of this year, 6.6 million $ for the Beijing combined event and the biggest prizes for an ATP1000 event, and I'm sure the prize amounts will keep on rising).

Maybe it will not be a "de jure" (so it will begin only as a "de facto" 5th biggest event on tour) grand slam from the start, but what can someone (ATP, ITF) do if the chinese will pay USOpen-like ? All the players will fly to Shanghai (or Beijing) and will do their best to get the big prize. And, slowly but certainly, ATP will have to comply and increase Beijing's status on tour. The first step would be to have a 2 weeks event (a la Indian Wells and Miami) and from there on it will be only one more thing to do...convincing the ATP to double the amount of points awarded for their event.

It is what I think Tiriac sugested in that interview...and his dream would be, I also believe, to be one step ahead of the chinese federation, with his Madrid combined event (imho Tiriac and Madrid stand no chance to become the 5th GS, even if they will change the date, but the chinese can do it)...

What do u think , guys ?

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It is the first time that I saw on an Atp event's website something as "proposed practice schedule":

http://www.racing-china.com/new/f1/2...S%20-%20EN.pdf

I think the chinese are doing everything by the book and, with the help of their booming economy, they will be the 5th force in tennis very soon (and this doesn't mean England, France and Australia will have smth over them, only the USofA are untouchable right now in terms of tour events and venues).

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Re: The Chinese offensive for the 5th Slam...a far-fetched scenario ?

It's all ridiculous. The players need to be paid less. History and prestige need to count for more. A 5th Grand Slam would be horrific and I don't think the ITF would ever allow it.

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create MS, MM as much as you want
GS are four and are untouchable

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Re: The Chinese offensive for the 5th Slam...a far-fetched scenario ?

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don`t really want a 5th slam, but probably China can pull it off~ might take them another 10--15 years though! ..Madrid`s chances are far less likely. the ATP & ITF recognise how important China & Asia are for the growth of the game~~ so they might just create the 5th Slam [even if the players don`t want it]..!!
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Re: The Chinese offensive for the 5th Slam...a far-fetched scenario ?

and the biggest potency in male tennis of these times with the biggest and best tennis academies isn't important for the growth of the game? just asking

either way, as much as I love my country, a 5th Slam in Spain? Hell NO

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Yes let's have a 5th slam in Madrid
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Re: The Chinese offensive for the 5th Slam...a far-fetched scenario ?

just 2 facts: Tokyo winner gets $300K and Beijing winner gets $573K.

Also, WTA Beijing is already a A9 tourney, smth like ATP Masters 1000.
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and the biggest potency in male tennis of these times with the biggest and best tennis academies isn't important for the growth of the game? just asking

either way, as much as I love my country, a 5th Slam in Spain? Hell NO
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of course Spain has a rich tennis history, and they`ll always produce great champions like Rafa, Moya, JCF etc.
but China will be the most important country in the World in terms of economy, technology & security [maybe it already is].. if tennis is going to prosper in the future the ATP & ITF know that making tennis a major sport in China is going to be crucial,, so they might just create the 5th Slam for them [as much as you or i don`t like it]
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If China could produce one or two world class PLAYERS, there might be a better argument.

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Not gonna happen in the short term(and i consider 10-15 years in that category), too much history and tradition behind the big 4.

I like to see tennis grow in China and asia but i'm not sure if having a GS or throwing huge amt of money is the way to go. It only going to mostly benefit the corporate bigwigs, i doubt the average chinese fan get much out of it, imho . I'm sure there are better ways to promote the sport in china.

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Re: The Chinese offensive for the 5th Slam...a far-fetched scenario ?

Can't really happen. Current four Grand Slams should be untouchable, because they form the backbone of the tennis circuit. Allowing China to have a 5th GS would mean that a bit later Dubai (or some other venue with big money) would knock the ATP door asking for 6th GS. It would never end. Money should never come before traditions.

Beijing prize money is ridiculous, by the way.

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apart from Wimbledon there's no real tradition.
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They should take it from Australia which is too far and give it to China or from America which always screws up schedules like finals on Mondays
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apart from Wimbledon there's no real tradition.
so why not?
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I wonder what surface a China Open GS would be. I hope not another hard court. Should make the court out of the pelt of pandas.
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