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Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

Two examples of matches which, in my opinion, he has deliberately tanked this year. Both with the same idea behind them.

1 vs Djokovic at Rome.

2 vs Tsonga at Montreal.

Both matches Federer was clearly looking the better player and then started playing absurdly poor tennis.

Both times he tanked one round ahead of the player he wanted to avoid facing. On clay this was clearly Nadal. Strategic tank, let Nadal burn himself out against Djokovic. Then Federer turned up all guns blazing at Madrid against a tired Nadal and got the win. The aim was to give himself the momentum going into the French Open. He can't have anticipated Nadal losing before the final - the aim was that by the time he got there, he would be tired and would have some slight question marks in his head after Madrid.

At Montreal he did exactly the same thing. He didn't want to try and win two Masters tournaments and the US Open all in one go - too risky and too tiring, especially now he's getting a bit older. This time, the threat was Murray. Deliberately tanks in the round before he meets Murray and lets Murray burn himself out. Then - just as he did in Madrid versus Nadal - he turns up all guns blazing against a tiring Murray at the pre-Slam MS - and takes him to school. And, just as he did at the French Open, he is going into the US Open with all the momentum. Let's see if the trick works this time...
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if i'm not a roger federer fan i will say you are an idiot. but being a roger federer fan i have to agree. also an extra point is that it leaves the opponents scrambling because they expecet him to just lay down and lose when he comes with the guns and catches them with their pants down scrambling on what to do before the slam. Boy i hope you are right! come on Roger!

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if i'm not a roger federer fan i will say you are an idiot. but being a roger federer fan i have to agree. also an extra point is that it leaves the opponents scrambling because they expecet him to just lay down and lose when he comes with the guns and catches them with their pants down scrambling on what to do before the slam. Boy i hope you are right! come on Roger!

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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

I think this is nonsense.

He is human, he can tank mentally, emotionally and physically. There is no conspiracy.
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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

Roger says himself that it is more important to him to feel like he is playing well in non-Slams than anything else. He obviously does not really care about winning the tourneys....I don't think this theory is very far-fetched at all.
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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

I think it actually makes some sense.

If you play a player in two tournaments before a slam, that player has more time to adjust to whatever new tactics you are bringing out to beat them with.

For instance, Federer jammed Murray with a lot of body serves in Cincinnati. If he had played Murray in Montreal and done that, then Murray might have figured out how to deal with that by Cincinnati, and certainly by the US Open. As it is, he won't necessarily know how to deal with that by the US Open, and that's the main goal.

Federer COULD play the Rome/Montreal tournaments without using whatever new tactics he plans on using, but that would be silly too. It would likely allow the other player to win and give them confidence.

Do I think Federer actually strategically tanked? No. But would I be hugely surprised if he did? No.
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:retard: Enough of this crap.
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How about the idea that he actually ran into a player who was playing BETTER than him in those particular cases? OK, of course not, JesusFed can't lose without him intending to do so. Yeah.

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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

Federer lost those matches because he played poorly, or his opponent played better. Big fucking deal. He's done that around 160 times in his career. Are all of those strategic tanks as well?

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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

I've been thinking the same thing. Especially after Federer said that having played Nadal so many times on clay in smaller tournaments have helped Nadal at the French Open. So maybe now he is avoiding his hardest opponents, so that they won't get used to playing him.
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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

I don't think Roger tanks matches.

However, I do think he conserves his energy. He might not "push" himself as hard to win certain matches or tournaments. At this point, there is no way Roger is going-out early in a best 2 out of 3--even playing at 75% anyway. And playing at 85% he can beat most players in a 2 out of 3 sets.

I think he steps it up when he want to prove a point--like against Murray and Nole today--or with Rafa in Madrid.

But then again against some other players, he just might feel he doesn't necessarily have to prove anything even if he happens to lose.

I don't think he "tanks" though. I don't think he goes out there with the idea he's going to throw a match. He goes out there with the idea he's going to win. I think it's more of a subconscious thing that he just doesn't necessary push himself to win against all players except in certain instances.

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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

It's pretty much a fact that he ain't playing as good as in Grand Slams which leaves a lot of interpretation. But I'm quite sure he doesn't lose them on purpose, that's not the attitude of athletes.
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Re: Analysis of Fed's strategic tanking

we clearly saw what a motivated Roger has done with Murray and Novak - two overhyped young guns, being shoved down our throats all the time. You could see that he was pissed off after those earlier MS defeats to them and decided to bring his GS form...and we all know that when Fed is "motivated" or simply wants to prove a point he's almost unbeatable (barring Nadal who is horrible matchup for him).
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