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I also heard on ESPN that next year they will have a shot-clock next to the speedometer and Roger is proponent and big supporter of that. This will be great.
Don't know where this quote comes from.

But what do you guys think about this idea? Wouldn't it be great? Who will suffer the most? Discuss.
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Don't know where this quote comes from.

But what do you guys think about this idea? Wouldn't it be great? Who will suffer the most? Discuss.
Don't mean to sound stupid, but by 'shot clock' what is being timed? The amount of time it takes for a player to serve? If that's what this is about, Nadal will be in trouble. His routine of wedgie, hair adjustment and then pushing ball into his pocket before every serve takes up quite a bit of time.

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Don't mean to sound stupid, but by 'shot clock' what is being timed? The amount of time it takes for a player to serve? If that's what this is about, Nadal will be in trouble. His routine of wedgie, hair adjustment and then pushing ball into his pocket before every serve takes up quite a bit of time.
Of course.

Not the amount of time one point can last.
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Del Potro would be in trouble too. Maybe Djokovic, though he seems to have speeded up a lot.

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It was Koning and Adler talking about it, and Nadal will be in trouble, therefore he will make sure it won't go through.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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Of course.

Not the amount of time one point can last.
Oh ha ha ha.... I thought it could also mean timing the fooling around the receiver sometimes does, you know, walking away from the service line, fiddling with the racquet strings and then holding the hand up making the server wait. Nadal wastes a lot of time out there for sure.

This would be an excellent idea.

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Depending on how it's used,this should be great news.

What format do you expect?

Mo Layhani IIRC, suggested that each bad time costs you a serve,rather than the escalating penalties they're unwilling to enforce currently.I'd like to see that.
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Re: Shot-clock in tennis

oh nadal is so screwed del potro might be in trouble a bit to, i almost feel asleep in between each point when they where playing in montreal...it took them both so long to do anything lol

i think it would be a good idea, i dont like when players just fiddle around and take forever it will also stop players from doing it to try and distract their opponent...however of course it will only be effective if they actually follow through with some sort of penalty for taking to long not just warnings

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Re: Shot-clock in tennis

You know what, they need to do something. It's going too far. Tennis is a spectator sport and it's important to keep the progress of play at a non-sleep-enducing pace.

I almost miss the days of Jelena Dokic vs. Jennifer Capriati. Now those women had barely finished one point before grabbing a ball from a ball boy and starting the next. Classic stuff, ESPN could never show any replays.

Also, I simply don't understand why umpires are such spineless chickens. How hard is it to disallow 30+ seconds between points and, even worse, on-court coaching? Most of them are so useless up there. Perhaps they can change the ruling to two warnings then point penalty then game penalty then...

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Mo Layhani IIRC, suggested that each bad time costs you a serve,rather than the escalating penalties they're unwilling to enforce currently.I'd like to see that.
Yeah, that's good. The thing is, if you have a point penalty the officials aren't going to risk heavy criticism by making that call. If you lose a serve it is easy to punish people for taking too long.

This rule is difficult to deal with really because there needs to be an element of sensibility about the decisions. It's ridiculous for a player to continually take 30 seconds between points if it is frustrating the opponent but also ridiculous for a umpire to punish a player if he takes a litle extra time after a gruelling 30 stroke rally.

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Also, I simply don't understand why umpires are such spineless chickens. How hard is it to disallow 30+ seconds between points and, even worse, on-court coaching? Most of them are so useless up there. Perhaps they can change the ruling to two warnings then point penalty then game penalty then...

They're spineless because they're at the mercy of tournament officials and sponsors who rely on those very players who violate the rules to host a successful event. A sad state, to be sure.
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You don't know where it comes from yet you were able to quote it in here?

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They're spineless because they're at the mercy of tournament officials and sponsors who rely on those very players who violate the rules to host a successful event. A sad state, to be sure.
Maybe in the case of Nadal/Del Po taking too much time or Roddick/Safin bitching at officials, etc. But still even with some of the less marquee matches they are pathetic. How many times can David Ferrer, who probably has absolutely zero star appeal outside of Spain, get away with very obvious on court coaching? And why?

Then again we do want the rules to be fair and equal. Nadal, Del Potro, Djokovic etc. should not be above the rules.

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A shot-clock sounds good in theory, although I could see it being more difficult to implement that expected. As stebs mentioned, it's deep in a fifth set and the players have just had a really grueling rally. The server than takes an extra 5 to 10 seconds to get ready to serve. Does that player really get penalized?

And what happens if there are other things delaying play between points, such as noise from the crowd? Does the shot-clock get reset? Does the umpire have the power to pause the shot-clock? It could get messy.

But I do agree that something has to be done about the slow players. It's pretty ridiculous how long guys like Nadal and Del Potro take between points, and if the umpires are unwilling to give them point penalties, there need to be some other way to punish them for breaking the rules.
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This rule is difficult to deal with really because there needs to be an element of sensibility about the decisions. It's ridiculous for a player to continually take 30 seconds between points if it is frustrating the opponent but also ridiculous for a umpire to punish a player if he takes a litle extra time after a gruelling 30 stroke rally.
Definitely, yes. And I see a problem with having a shot clock on the court if the crowd gets riled up over a player taking 35 seconds even after a brutally long and exhausting rally. The rule would have to be malleable.

But then again I play squash and I swear it makes me miss tennis - there are absolutely no breaks between points. I get so winded and there is no chance to recover, until the measly 90 seconds between "sets." And squash points are almost always longer too. It sucks. Tennis players have it good, I'll tell you that.

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