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Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal are professional tennis players engaged in a storied rivalry that many consider to be among the greatest in tennis history.[1][2][3][4][5]

They have held the top two rankings on the ATP Tour since July 2005 and are the only pair of men to have ever finished four consecutive calendar years at the top. Federer was ranked No. 1 for a record 237 consecutive weeks beginning in February 2004. Nadal, who is five years younger, ascended to No. 2 in July 2005 and held this spot for a record 160 consecutive weeks before surpassing Federer in August 2008.[6] As of 6th of July, 2009, Federer is ranked No.1 and Nadal No. 2, largely due to Federer winning the 2009 French and Wimbledon titles. Nadal lost in the early rounds of the 2009 French, and withdrew from Wimbledon because of knee tendonitis.

Nadal leads their overall head-to-head series 13–7.[7] Because tournament seedings are based on rankings, 16 of their matches have been in tournament finals, including an all-time record 7 Grand Slam finals.[8] From 2006 to 2008 they played in every French Open and Wimbledon final, and then they met in the 2009 Australian Open final. Nadal won five of the seven, losing the first two Wimbledons. Three of these matches were five set-matches (2007 and 2008 Wimbledon, 2009 Australian), and the 2008 Wimbledon final has been lauded as the greatest match ever by many long-time tennis analysts.[9][10][11] [12] They have also played in a record 8 Masters Series finals, including their lone five hour match at the 2006 Rome Masters which Nadal won in a fifth-set tiebreak.


Nobody has beaten both Nadal and Federer in the same Grand Slam. They are the only men to defeat each other in Grand Slam Finals. Nadal hasnt lost a French Open (4) and Australian Open (1) Final, while Federer is undefeated in US Open Finals (5). Both of them have won Grand Slam events on three different surfaces, simultaneously (2008 French Open, 2008 Wimbledon, 2009 Australian Open for Nadal and 2008 US Open, 2009 French Open, 2009 Wimbledon for Federer).


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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

Koellerer-Hernandez.

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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

Maybe, but I would mention
Sampras-Agassi
Borg-McEnroe
Rosewall-Laver

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lmao no

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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

Djokovic - Murray is greater
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No, it is not even a rivalry.
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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

No, unless Federer can eventually make it a lot closer like within -2. Basically Federer has to win the next 4 in a row(including a couple of GS finals) to make it a real rivalry.

However, what it goes to show that a player doesn't need to have the most fantastic rivalry ever to become GOAT. Despite being utterly pwned by Nadal, Roger won 15 + CGS.
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Yes, it is the greatest rivalry ever. I like the idea that both are standing in each others way of complete dominance. It's perhaps not quite the same now that Federer finally won Roland Garros, but up until then Nadal was the ONLY blemish on Federers record with the poor Head-to-Head and Nadal standing in the way of Federer completing the career grand slam, and indeed the elusive calendar grand slam. On the other hand, Federer is the one who is keeping a great champion like Nadal somewhat in the shadow. Nadal would have been #1 for 4 consecutive years right now if it hadn't been for Federer. Likewise, Federers results across all surfaces, are making Nadals amazing history making results look somewhat ordinary.

I think the only but about it, is that Nadal-Federer matches are rarely very good tennis-wise (with a few notable exceptions). Federer rarely plays anywhere near his best tennis against Nadal, which is partly due to mental issues, but mostly due to Nadal being a horrific match-up for him.

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At the end of the day, who cares about head to head, it makes no difference. It's what you've accomplished.

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Thankfully, no
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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

It is.

Sampras/Agassi better? No way. That was more domination than anything. and who really wants to see a match that goes like
6-7 7-6 7-6 7-6?

for those of you who say no, than what is? What other tandem has had 3 straight great Wimbledon finals? 2 good Frnehc Open finals and 5 setter in australia. plus some memorable matches in masters series.

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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

matchup wise, H2H record and quality of tennis produced, I'd say Federer/Nalbandian is the greatest rivalry in modern tennis.

history and career wise, the Fedal is obviously the most famous.

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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

Any rivalry with Federer losing the H2H is epic imo.
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nope!!!
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Re: Is the Nadal-Federer rivarly the greatest ever?

My greatest rivalries: Records not great on 1st two, but the amount matches these guys played is ridiculous vs modern tennis.

Laver - Rosewall - Played approx 130 matches, (62-49 Documented favors Laver)
Gonzales - Hoad - Played 87 matches, (51-36 Gonzales)

McEnroe-Lendl - 21-15 Lendl
McEnroe-Borg - 7-7
McEnroe-Connors - 20-14 Mac

Sampras-Agassi - 20-14 Sampras

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