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Without Fedal, How Would the Last Decade Have Gone?

Federer and Nadal have dominated the last 6 years or so. How would this decade have gone if those two players had not been there. Here's how I see the grand slams, Masters Championship, and Olympics having gone, as well as who the year-end #1 would've been:

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2000
Australian Open: Agassi
French Open: Kuerten
Wimbledon: Sampras
US Open: Safin
Masters Championship: Kuerten
Olympics: Kafelnikov

2001
Australian Open: Agassi
French Open: Kuerten
Wimbledon: Ivanisevic
US Open: Hewitt
Masters' Championship: Hewitt

2002
Australian Open: Johansson
French Open: Costa
Wimbledon: Hewitt
US Open: Sampras
Masters' Championship: Hewitt

2003
Australian Open: Agassi
French Open: Ferrero
Wimbledon: Roddick
US Open: Roddick
Masters' Championship: Roddick

2004
Australian Open: Safin
French Open: Gaudio
Wimbledon: Roddick
US Open: Hewitt
Masters' Championship: Safin
Olympics: Massu

2005
Australian Open: Safin
French Open: Moya
Wimbledon: Hewitt
US Open: Hewitt
Masters' Championship: Nalbandian

2006
Australian Open: Davydenko
French Open: Nalbandian
Wimbledon: Ancic
US Open: Roddick
Masters' Championship: Roddick

2007
Australian Open: Roddick
French Open: Djokovic
Wimbledon: Djokovic
US Open: Djokovic
Masters' Championship: Davydenko

2008
Australian Open: Djokovic
French Open: Djokovic
Wimbledon: Murray
US Open: Djokovic
Masters' Championship: Djokovic
Olympics: Djokovic

2009
Australian Open: Roddick
French Open: Del Potro
Wimbledon: Roddick
US Open:
Masters' Championship:

Year-End Number Ones
2000: Kuerten
2001: Hewitt
2002: Hewitt
2003: Roddick
2004: Roddick (barely over Safin)
2005: Hewitt
2006: Roddick (barely over Davydenko)
2007: Djokovic
2008: Djokovic
2009: Roddick, most likely

Number of Slams for Players
Roddick: 7
Hewitt: 6
Djokovic: 6
Safin: 3
Moya: 2
Nalbandian: 1
Murray: 1
Del Potro: 1
Davydenko: 1
Ancic: 1

I think if the Fedal duopoly did not exist, that Roddick and Djokovic would be the clear beneficiaries. Roddick would undoubtedly have won a bunch of slams if he didn't have to face Federer, the one player he can't beat. And in 2007 and 2008, I believe Djokovic would have dominated if there was no Federer or Nadal. He was clearly the best clay court player outside of those two so I believe he would have won Roland Garros both years; I see him likely taking both US Opens that he lost to Federer in; he won the 2008 AO anyways, and I think he would have squeaked out the 2007 Wimbledon as no one besides Federer and Nadal were playing very well. Hewitt would've also benefitted from this, probably taking a few US Opens and Wimbledons. Apart from that, Nalbandian and Davydenko would probably be slam winners; Safin would likely have won 3, and Murray and Del Potro would already be started in their slam count.

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Re: Without Fedal, How Would the Last Decade Have Gone?

This is a very well done thread i must say, and tbh i would have to agree with you on most of that tbh.
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Interesting. I quite agree.

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Re: Without Fedal, How Would the Last Decade Have Gone?

If only Djokovic hadn't messed up at Wimbledon in 2008 he would have a fantasy calendar year golden slam
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Re: Without Fedal, How Would the Last Decade Have Gone?

Nalbandian would surely have at least one slam to his name.
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Re: Without Fedal, How Would the Last Decade Have Gone?

Nalbandian lost that Roland Garros because he got injured, not because Federer stopped him.

Nalbandian would have almost the same career results with or without Fed-Nadal
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Re: Without Fedal, How Would the Last Decade Have Gone?

I agree with everything except for the 2008 US Open. That would've been Murray's ;p Apart from that everything is spot on IMO. Glad it didn't happen though

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Nalbandian lost that Roland Garros because he got injured, not because Federer stopped him.

Nalbandian would have almost the same career results with or without Fed-Nadal
I remember that semi-final match at the French. It was windy and Federer really was struggling. Had Nalbandian not got injured I think Federer would have lost that match.
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2003
Wimbledon: Roddick
Highly debatable whether he would beat Philippoussis.

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2005
French Open: Moya
Very random choice. The obvious would be Mariano "roid monkey" Puerta, who even took a set off Nadal in the final.

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Wimbledon: Hewitt
Coin toss between him and Roddick.

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US Open: Hewitt
Coin toss between him and Agassi.


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Australian Open: Davydenko
Are you sure he would beat Baghdatis?


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Masters' Championship: Roddick
Nah, Roddick got schooled by Nalbandian in this tournament. Here, the answer would have to be Blake.


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Australian Open: Roddick
Gonzalez was playing at a much higher level, he would have demolished him.

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Masters' Championship: Davydenko
Why not David Ferrer?


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Australian Open: Roddick
I'd favour Verdasco over him.

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French Open: Del Potro
The match against Soderling would be 50/50.

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Nalbandian lost that Roland Garros because he got injured, not because Federer stopped him.

Nalbandian would have almost the same career results with or without Fed-Nadal
I thought about that, but my thinking was that I have no clue whether his abdominal injury during that match was aggravated by something that happened in the match. If it was, then I can say that against another player, the match would have been different, and that might not have happened. Since he had been playing quite well before that, I suspect that he aggravated it in the match, and I chose to take the opinion that that likely would not have happened in a different match.

That particular slam is hard to gauge because Djokovic and Nalbandian both retired from their matches. I dont think Ancic or Ljubicic could possibly have actually won Roland Garros, though they got far. If Federer and Nadal hadn't been there, Massu or Berdych would likely have faced Ancic in the quarters and Hewitt would likely have faced Djokovic in the quarters. If you exclude Nalbandian and Djokovic from contention, saying that they were injured and retired, you are left with these realistically possible winners: Ljubicic, Ancic, Massu, Berdych, and Hewitt. I guess out of those, I would say Hewitt would likely have emerged but none of those players would be good RG winners. This is part of why I chose to take the opinion that injuries that happened against Federer or Nadal would not have happened against another player.
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Federer and Nadal have dominated the last 6 years or so. How would this decade have gone if those two players had not been there. Here's how I see the grand slams, Masters Championship, and Olympics having gone, as well as who the year-end #1 would've been:

Results

2000
Australian Open: Agassi
French Open: Kuerten
Wimbledon: Sampras
US Open: Safin
Masters Championship: Kuerten
Olympics: Kafelnikov

2001
Australian Open: Agassi
French Open: Kuerten
Wimbledon: Ivanisevic
US Open: Hewitt
Masters' Championship: Hewitt

2002
Australian Open: Johansson
French Open: Costa
Wimbledon: Hewitt
US Open: Sampras
Masters' Championship: Hewitt

2003
Australian Open: Agassi
French Open: Ferrero
Wimbledon: Roddick
US Open: Roddick
Masters' Championship: Roddick

2004
Australian Open: Safin
French Open: Gaudio
Wimbledon: Roddick
US Open: Hewitt
Masters' Championship: Safin
Olympics: Massu

2005
Australian Open: Safin
French Open: Moya
Wimbledon: Hewitt
US Open: Hewitt
Masters' Championship: Nalbandian

2006
Australian Open: Davydenko
French Open: Nalbandian
Wimbledon: Ancic
US Open: Roddick
Masters' Championship: Roddick

2007
Australian Open: Roddick
French Open: Djokovic
Wimbledon: Djokovic
US Open: Djokovic
Masters' Championship: Davydenko

2008
Australian Open: Djokovic
French Open: Djokovic
Wimbledon: Murray
US Open: Djokovic
Masters' Championship: Djokovic
Olympics: Djokovic

2009
Australian Open: Roddick
French Open: Del Potro
Wimbledon: Roddick
US Open:
Masters' Championship:

Year-End Number Ones
2000: Kuerten
2001: Hewitt
2002: Hewitt
2003: Roddick
2004: Roddick (barely over Safin)
2005: Hewitt
2006: Roddick (barely over Davydenko)
2007: Djokovic
2008: Djokovic
2009: Roddick, most likely

Number of Slams for Players
Roddick: 7
Hewitt: 6
Djokovic: 6
Safin: 3
Nalbandian: 1
Murray: 1
Del Potro: 1
Davydenko: 1
Ancic: 1
Moya: 1

I think if the Fedal duopoly did not exist, that Roddick and Djokovic would be the clear beneficiaries. Roddick would undoubtedly have won a bunch of slams if he didn't have to face Federer, the one player he can't beat. And in 2007 and 2008, I believe Djokovic would have dominated if there was no Federer or Nadal. He was clearly the best clay court player outside of those two so I believe he would have won Roland Garros both years; I see him likely taking both US Opens that he lost to Federer in; he won the 2008 AO anyways, and I think he would have squeaked out the 2007 Wimbledon as no one besides Federer and Nadal were playing very well. Hewitt would've also benefitted from this, probably taking a few US Opens and Wimbledons. Apart from that, Nalbandian and Davydenko would probably be slam winners; Safin would likely have won 3, and Murray and Del Potro would already be started in their slam count.
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Well he would've had two slams. That would've put him quite a fair bit ahead of Murray and Djokovic in the race and ultimately the rankings.

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Wow, there would be so many Djokovic books/monographies!

And 2008, so close to that elusive Golden Slam, so close...
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