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The ultimate tennis player(would people undeniably admit it?)

There are endeless debates about who is better or worse and why...they are comparing eras...bla bla bla.Lets assume that comes a player who in every aspect of his game is indistractable.Moving perfectly huge serve lethal from both wings and destroys the competition in virtually every tournament he enters and competition like nadal fed djoko Sampras Agassi etc at their very best.His game is beautiful and effective he is strong good looking....salt of the earth kinda guy...lololololol(he basically has everything).Do you really believe that even he would be accepted as the best ever or that the same excuses would apply even for him?
1)He played in a mug era cause for example...fed nadal and the others couldnt win against him.He can never be THAT good.All the others must be THAT bad.

2)He is to smug to be the best..cause the best ever must be king of sportsmanship as well(And if you are winning all the time we cant possibly know....so we prefer to call you smug)

3)The competition are chokers(imagine nadal for example without a French open but still playing exactly the same) they dont have the winning mentality and they pretty much hare handing him the trophies left and right.

4)Anything else you can think of.

My point is simple:Even if a human moving wall appears in the other side of the court will people ever accept him as the best ever or would they use the same excuses over and over again.My guess is that they will do exactly the same all over again...what do you think?
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I think it would be the end of tennis as we know it, and probably the end of the world as well.

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No, it doesn't or ever will exist.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Wtf is that thread. This guy would be a robot, nothing more.
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Federer is that guy already. Happy?
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Federer is that guy already. Happy?
No, it's Nadal

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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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the king, for sure

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My point is that even if a player like that appears and even if he has opponents that play like nadal or fed at their best but still lose to him....poeple will bring up the same excuses to deny his...goatness...and say that those players are mugs.
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Serve - Karlovic
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My point is that even if a player like that appears and even if he has opponents that play like nadal or fed at their best but still lose to him....poeple will bring up the same excuses to deny his...goatness...and say that those players are mugs.
Obviously, the fact that some of the candidates were not able to compete in slams for a while if they wanted to be pro is utter nonsense people make up just to deny The One the indisputable goatness. Same goes for anything else that actually makes sense.

We must have an undeniable GOAT or we shall perish.
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Serve - Karlovic
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your player doesnt volley, right?

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your player doesnt volley, right?
Rally dosen't last long enough against this guy
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Rally dosen't last long enough against this guy
Not sure how long you've had it for, but I just noticed your sig. Solid stuff
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This is the point. The idea of a GOAT is counterintuitive. In order to be considered the best, one must dominate one's era. However, in dominating one's era, that means that by definition, other players can't achieve much. People will then say those players just sucked, and that's why the player dominated.

The only possible scenario I can think of is if a few players won a bunch of slams AND THEN a GOAT came around and dominated THEM. Those other players would clearly be good and have had achievements, but still wouldve been dominated. But even that would be problematic, because people would just say that those players declined and were clearly not good anymore.

It's impossible. But let's be honest. Logically, tennis pros should be BETTER nowadays. The game has been internationalized and is more lucrative than ever before. This means that there is a larger talent pool for players to come from, and more money means you lure more of the best athletes in the world to tennis than you otherwise would.

Logically, this should mean that the average tennis pro is better nowadays than before. However, that logic does not cover whether the top 10 players are better than ever because the quality of the VERY top talent is such a small sample size that it is certainly possible for the top people in the past to simply have deviated from the mean more than the top now, thus still being better than today's top 10 despite the average player being better now.

Regardless, though, that is speculation. Logic would say that players are best now, meaning that dominating today's game is more impressive than dominating the game decades ago. This is why I believe Federer to be the GOAT.
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