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Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

federer was quick and impressive to grab the FO once rafa bowed out early.......but the question remains.......can federer beat nadal in slams here after? he has done it only twice in the past, both victories on grass at wimbledon.......last time, 2 years ago.......what do you all think?
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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

As long as most of the time some big hitter manages to take down Rafa before the finals, who cares?
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As long as most of the time some big hitter manages to take down Rafa before the finals, who cares?
the point is, federer trails 2-6 in slams against his biggest opponent in his career.......won't that be a minus on his resume and isn't it important for him to gun down rafa a few times at slams?
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the point is, federer trails 2-6 in slams against his biggest opponent in his career.......won't that be a minus on his resume and isn't it important for him to gun down rafa a few times at slams?
It might be a minus but as long as he holds the slams record (and plenty of other records), no-one will really care (except for doubters/haters).
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It might be a minus but as long as he holds the slams record (and plenty of other records), no-one will really care (except for doubters/haters).
yep his record is impressive but stats and records is what matters? not victories over big players? i still remember how satisfied federer was when he beat rafa at wimbledon in 2007.......
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It might be a minus but as long as he holds the slams record (and plenty of other records), no-one will really care (except for doubters/haters).
many people will care. how can you be the goat, if you are owned by a (much younger) fellow rival?

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many people will care. how can you be the goat, if you are owned by a (much younger) fellow rival?
Again, as long as this rival doesn't hold most records, only haters will care
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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

simply not true mate. there are plenny of people who are neither fanboys nor haters, simply objective observers. they do exist you know.

and objectively looking at things - he is owned, and records, though amazing, can be put into context. I guess you can guess which.

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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

Federer is too weak mentally to win against healthy Rafa especially in Grand Slams

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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

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many people will care. how can you be the goat, if you are owned by a (much younger) fellow rival?
Well there you have it... :retard:

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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

Of course he can. Nadal owes his Wimbledon and Australian Open wins entirely to random distribution and ad scoring. Federer outplayed him each time, both in the aggregate and in three of five sets.

"Champions win the big points" is only true because it's circular. He who wins the most highly-leveraged points will necessarily be victorious; however; there's precious little evidence that players control the distribution of their performance. Over meaningful samples, the percentage of break points saved or converted regresses toward the percentage of points won on serve or return overall, and the number of service and return games won regresses toward the number expected given the percentages of points won.

Ad scoring doesn't separate champions from pretenders, it just adds an element of randomness that confuses the issue.
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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

Here we go again ...

Federer has had many victories in GS over "big players" like you call them, including 2 against Nadal. I agree it would be nice if he could get a few more against Nadal, but really it's not that important if Nadal ends up with significantly less GS than Federer. Nadal will not be included in the "GOAT" discussion (if he doesn't get at least 10GS) whereas as of today Federer already is included. And if Nadal is not in the discussion, you can only compare Federer to players who are in the discussion. So no, those victories against Nadal won't be that important.

But, to answer the question, I definitely think Federer will "get" Nadal again in a GS.

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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

Does not matter as long as he reaches slam finals and wins them regardless of Nadal's presence or lack thereof. I for one, actually WANT Nadal to face off against Federer in more slam finals (other than the French ) to address the head-to-head.
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Re: Can Federer beat Nadal in slams here after?

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Well there you have it... :retard:
nadal was pounding fed while he was in his prime, and you wont tell me that last years wimby was an 'old fed' - for example. dont even mention monorail, people who actually have that might get insulted.

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