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Should Roland Garros alter their seeding a la Wimbledon?

I've wondered this for a little while, Wimbledon always switched up their rankings due to past results, moving some grass courters up and others down.

Should RG do the same? Roddick and Blake for instance being seeded while someone like Monaco for instance is unseeded.

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Lame troll attempt.
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Re: Should Roland Garros alter their seeding a la Wimbledon?

Agree.

Pointless having seeds who never justify their seedings.
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no, the other way around
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I've wondered this for a little while, Wimbledon always switched up their rankings due to past results, moving some grass courters up and others down.

Should RG do the same? Roddick and Blake for instance being seeded while someone like Monaco for instance is unseeded.

What do you guys think?
I don't think it's needed as clay makes up a much bigger slice of available ranking points than grass.

Wimbledon only re-orders the 32 seeds so Monaco wouldn't have become one under an equivalent system.
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Exactly. A way to upgrade Monaco and group all Americans together.
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Not much thought into this, but I think it would be a good idea.

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they shouldn't even seed either Blake nor Fish
give the seed to Ouanna;at least he can win back to back 5 set matches and on clay

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Roland Garros should be cancelled. Clown tournament
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Re: Should Roland Garros alter their seeding a la Wimbledon?

If Monaco done more in the year, then maybe he would be higher seeded.
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I don't think it's needed as clay makes up a much bigger slice of available ranking points than grass.
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It has been proven time and time again that you can achieve a rather high ranking off of solely your clay prowess, and winning the occasional matches on hardcourts. Grass doesn't have the ability to pad a ranking in the same way - the clay players who deserve the seeding have the seeding, and we find that those who don't still tend to do well, if good enough.

Monaco/Tsonga is a good example of that tomorrow.

In any case, if RG seeded like Wimbledon, Roddick and Blake would still be seeded, because they only take seeded players and rearrange them with a formula.
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Re: Should Roland Garros alter their seeding a la Wimbledon?

How about if they used a totally different system, weighting clay events more and possibly sliding players in and out of seedings?

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It has been proven time and time again that you can achieve a rather high ranking off of solely your clay prowess, and winning the occasional matches on hardcourts. Grass doesn't have the ability to pad a ranking in the same way - the clay players who deserve the seeding have the seeding, and we find that those who don't still tend to do well, if good enough.

Monaco/Tsonga is a good example of that tomorrow.

In any case, if RG seeded like Wimbledon, Roddick and Blake would still be seeded, because they only take seeded players and rearrange them with a formula.
That's too general though. To say "grass doesn't pad the rankings" because it can contribute only 2750 to one's ranking (that alone would currently make someone #13 at RG) is just fogging over the issue.

I think adding some clay, hardcourt, grass, and possibly indoor factor is appropriate. Being the smallest, grass and indoor need the largest corrections. Then clay. Then hard.

But then there is the argument of "how different is indoor and hard, or what about hard variations and such?" I don't want to think about that.

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