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You be the official. (Code Violation or Default)

I will give a few examples of clear code violations. You tell me if you think it should be just a code going with the point penalty schedule, or an immediate default.

1. After disagreeing with a line call, the player looks directly at the line umpire and clearly says, "F*ck you."

2. Same situation, only this time, not looking directly at the line umpire says, "call it out you f**ker."

3. After disagreeing with a decision by the chair umpire, the player, from the baseline, hits a ball hard, clearly aiming at the chair umpire, but the ball misses the umpire.

4. After a point, a player accidentally hits a ball very hard and recklessly and the ball hits a ballboy on the shin. The ballboy is not injured and is kind of laughing about it after it happens.

5. Same thing, only this time it hits the ball boy in the stomach, and the kid is bent over obviously hurt badly.

6. A player takes a bathroom break escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire comes to you after the bathroom break and tells you that the player's coach met him outside the court and was giving the player instruction. After the line umpire told the coach he couldn't to that, the coach immediately stopped.

7. Same situation, only this time, after the line umpire told the coach he couldn't do that, the coach continued to give instruction.

8. A player takes a bathroom break, escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire reports to you that the player went into the locker room, lied down on a bench for 2 minutes, then got up, went to the sink and rinsed his face off, then came back to the court.

These are all situations that have happened by the way.
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I will give a few examples of clear code violations. You tell me if you think it should be just a code going with the point penalty schedule, or an immediate default.

1. After disagreeing with a line call, the player looks directly at the line umpire and clearly says, "F*ck you."
immediate default

2. Same situation, only this time, not looking directly at the line umpire says, "call it out you f**ker."
code violation

3. After disagreeing with a decision by the chair umpire, the player, from the baseline, hits a ball hard, clearly aiming at the chair umpire, but the ball misses the umpire.
immediate default

4. After a point, a player accidentally hits a ball very hard and recklessly and the ball hits a ballboy on the shin. The ballboy is not injured and is kind of laughing about it after it happens.
nothing, as it happened accidently

5. Same thing, only this time it hits the ball boy in the stomach, and the kid is bent over obviously hurt badly.
nothing, as it happened accidently

6. A player takes a bathroom break escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire comes to you after the bathroom break and tells you that the player's coach met him outside the court and was giving the player instruction. After the line umpire told the coach he couldn't to that, the coach immediately stopped.
code violation

7. Same situation, only this time, after the line umpire told the coach he couldn't do that, the coach continued to give instruction.
immediate default

8. A player takes a bathroom break, escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire reports to you that the player went into the locker room, lied down on a bench for 2 minutes, then got up, went to the sink and rinsed his face off, then came back to the court.
code violation

These are all situations that have happened by the way.
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Re: You be the official. (Code Violation or Default)

I believe they are all code violations on first offense, except 6. That may be a default.

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I will give a few examples of clear code violations. You tell me if you think it should be just a code going with the point penalty schedule, or an immediate default.

1. After disagreeing with a line call, the player looks directly at the line umpire and clearly says, "F*ck you."

2. Same situation, only this time, not looking directly at the line umpire says, "call it out you f**ker."

3. After disagreeing with a decision by the chair umpire, the player, from the baseline, hits a ball hard, clearly aiming at the chair umpire, but the ball misses the umpire.

4. After a point, a player accidentally hits a ball very hard and recklessly and the ball hits a ballboy on the shin. The ballboy is not injured and is kind of laughing about it after it happens.

5. Same thing, only this time it hits the ball boy in the stomach, and the kid is bent over obviously hurt badly.

6. A player takes a bathroom break escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire comes to you after the bathroom break and tells you that the player's coach met him outside the court and was giving the player instruction. After the line umpire told the coach he couldn't to that, the coach immediately stopped.

7. Same situation, only this time, after the line umpire told the coach he couldn't do that, the coach continued to give instruction.

8. A player takes a bathroom break, escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire reports to you that the player went into the locker room, lied down on a bench for 2 minutes, then got up, went to the sink and rinsed his face off, then came back to the court.

These are all situations that have happened by the way.
I'd default players for a lot less than that and for all that, of course.
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That should all be in the spirit of the game IMO.

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Unfortunately what players should be defaulted for and what they are defaulted for are vastly different.

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Re: You be the official. (Code Violation or Default)

1. After disagreeing with a line call, the player looks directly at the line umpire and clearly says, "F*ck you."
code violation

2. Same situation, only this time, not looking directly at the line umpire says, "call it out you f**ker."
code violation

3. After disagreeing with a decision by the chair umpire, the player, from the baseline, hits a ball hard, clearly aiming at the chair umpire, but the ball misses the umpire.
immediate default

4. After a point, a player accidentally hits a ball very hard and recklessly and the ball hits a ballboy on the shin. The ballboy is not injured and is kind of laughing about it after it happens.
immediate default

5. Same thing, only this time it hits the ball boy in the stomach, and the kid is bent over obviously hurt badly.
immediate default

6. A player takes a bathroom break escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire comes to you after the bathroom break and tells you that the player's coach met him outside the court and was giving the player instruction. After the line umpire told the coach he couldn't to that, the coach immediately stopped.
code violation

7. Same situation, only this time, after the line umpire told the coach he couldn't do that, the coach continued to give instruction.
code violation

8. A player takes a bathroom break, escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire reports to you that the player went into the locker room, lied down on a bench for 2 minutes, then got up, went to the sink and rinsed his face off, then came back to the court.
code violation
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I will give a few examples of clear code violations. You tell me if you think it should be just a code going with the point penalty schedule, or an immediate default.

1. After disagreeing with a line call, the player looks directly at the line umpire and clearly says, "F*ck you."

2. Same situation, only this time, not looking directly at the line umpire says, "call it out you f**ker."

3. After disagreeing with a decision by the chair umpire, the player, from the baseline, hits a ball hard, clearly aiming at the chair umpire, but the ball misses the umpire.

4. After a point, a player accidentally hits a ball very hard and recklessly and the ball hits a ballboy on the shin. The ballboy is not injured and is kind of laughing about it after it happens.

5. Same thing, only this time it hits the ball boy in the stomach, and the kid is bent over obviously hurt badly.

6. A player takes a bathroom break escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire comes to you after the bathroom break and tells you that the player's coach met him outside the court and was giving the player instruction. After the line umpire told the coach he couldn't to that, the coach immediately stopped.

7. Same situation, only this time, after the line umpire told the coach he couldn't do that, the coach continued to give instruction.

8. A player takes a bathroom break, escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire reports to you that the player went into the locker room, lied down on a bench for 2 minutes, then got up, went to the sink and rinsed his face off, then came back to the court.

These are all situations that have happened by the way.
You certainly have missed out the most important one: taking a shitload amount of time again and again between each point is a huge code violation.

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and receiving such code violation again and again in one match should eventually result in a default IMO.

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I'll play. And as always, good to see you here Woodrow.

Since you've mentioned they're all Code Violations, I'll give my "humble" opinion on whether they should be "defaults" or not.

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1. After disagreeing with a line call, the player looks directly at the line umpire and clearly says, "F*ck you."
DEFAULT. Say all you want under your breath or in another direction but look at me...and you get "The Thumb." That was my "Rule of Thumb" when I umpired collegiate intramural softball (fraternity division, no less ).

2. Same situation, only this time, not looking directly at the line umpire says, "call it out you f**ker."
Eh. Part of the game. Let it ride. Merely a Code Violation (if that).

3. After disagreeing with a decision by the chair umpire, the player, from the baseline, hits a ball hard, clearly aiming at the chair umpire, but the ball misses the umpire.
DEFAULT. Outa there. Physical retaliation has no part in the sport.

4. After a point, a player accidentally hits a ball very hard and recklessly and the ball hits a ballboy on the shin. The ballboy is not injured and is kind of laughing about it after it happens.
No biggie, IMHO. Part-n-parcel of the job.

5. Same thing, only this time it hits the ball boy in the stomach, and the kid is bent over obviously hurt badly.
Still...part of the job.

6. A player takes a bathroom break escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire comes to you after the bathroom break and tells you that the player's coach met him outside the court and was giving the player instruction. After the line umpire told the coach he couldn't to that, the coach immediately stopped.
DEFAULT. They KNOW better. Get 'em outa there.

7. Same situation, only this time, after the line umpire told the coach he couldn't do that, the coach continued to give instruction.
DEFAULT. Same as above. No excuses. G-O-N-E.

8. A player takes a bathroom break, escorted by a line umpire. The line umpire reports to you that the player went into the locker room, lied down on a bench for 2 minutes, then got up, went to the sink and rinsed his face off, then came back to the court.
Been there. Done That (except sitting on the potty in an air conditioned facility) Just part of the game, as long as it's done within the "usual" time...although the player should be smarter about it.

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You certainly have missed out the most important one: taking a shitload amount of time again and again between each point is a huge code violation.


You cannnn't be talking about two of the top 3 (or 4 depending on the day/week of the calendar)?

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Keep in mind that for #5, it happened accidentally after a point. Not during the point on a ball in play.
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Keep in mind that for #5, it happened accidentally after a point. Not during the point on a ball in play.
That should be default, right? Both 4 & 5.
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That should be default, right? Both 4 & 5.
I think so, I swear I remember a player get defaulted for something like this happening (the non-injuring one, i mean) shouldn't matter whether the kid gets hurt or not, didn't someone get defaulted for throwing their racquet that hit a line judge even though he didn't mean to? am I just making crap up now?

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Keep in mind that for #5, it happened accidentally after a point. Not during the point on a ball in play.
how the hell do you "accidentally" hit something "very hard" anyway? pffft. accident schmaccident.
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