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Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

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¿Quién crees que se encuentra mejor en tierra en este momento: Djokovic o Federer? ¿A cuál prefieres enfrentarte en la final? Intenta ser políticamente incorrecto y mojarte.... Muchas gracias
Creo que Djokovic. Le ha ganado a Roger en Roma y es el que ha conseguido mejores resultados de los dos esta temporada en tierra (finalista en Montecarlo y Roma, campeón en Belgrado). Yo miro al siguiente partido y no a una hipotética final. Eso, para mí, es mojarme. Lo otro es no ser realista, creeme.

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Re: Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

Discuss what ? Your distorted translation of what Nadal actually said ? Firstly, it's important to understand the context in which the question was formulated: Who do you think is better on clay in this moment ? Secondly, Nadal basically supplied a politically correct response; that is, he cited Djokovic's victory over Roger in Rome, as well as his victory at Belgrade.

Of course, these sorts of threads are created in hopes of generating drama, not substantive discussion. Moreover, Djokovic's results have been superior to those of Federer, at least on clay.
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Re: Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

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Discuss what ? Your distorted translation of what Nadal actually said ? Firstly, it's important to understand the context in which the question was formulated: Who do you think is better on clay in this moment ? Secondly, Nadal basically supplied a politically correct response; that is, he cited Djokovic's victory over Roger in Rome, as well as his victory at Belgrade.

No. He said that. Headline of the link posted: 'Djokovic está mejor en tierra que Federer'
What do you expect, a title like: "Nadal thinks that Djokovic is a better player on clay at this moment because he beat Federer on Rome and he won Belgrade and reached the finals at MC & Rome"?

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Of course, these sorts of threads are created in hopes of generating drama, not substantive discussion
Are you talking about your threads on Middle East?

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Moreover, Djokovic's results have been superior to those of Federer, at least on clay.
Thanx for posting your opinion

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Re: Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

federer is a fast court specialist.
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And still managed to lose to the lesser guy on clay.
Djokovic is just tactically playing better to Rafa. He showed the way how to hurt Rafa.
the funny thing is that Roger use that and beat him
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Re: Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

madrid is red hardcourts.

roland garros is brown carpet.

u think it matters?
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Re: Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

Mindgames.
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Mindgames.
I think that you are correct.
For the first time , Rafa is starting to be not as confident as he was.
Probably Madrid loss was much more important to him than most of us think here.
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What do you expect, a title like: "Nadal thinks that Djokovic is a better player on clay at this moment because he beat Federer on Rome and he won Belgrade and reached the finals at MC & Rome"?
Well, I'd like to think that members of this forum would be sensible enough to discern relevant comments from irrelevant comments (in which case this thread would cease to exist) -- utopianism, I know.

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Are you talking about your threads on Middle East?
My thread (singular, not plural) has generated more discussion than any thread you've created. I'd be willing to bet that. Not that your standards are particularly high, after all, you're appealing to the lowest common denominator of this forum: prepubescent children. We've all done it, but don't get defensive when someone with a rudimentary comprehension of the Spanish language is able to spot your theatrics.

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Thanx for posting your opinion
Djokovic made the finals of Rome and Monte Carlo, not to mention his stunning SF performance against Nadal in Madrid; on the other hand, Roger's first final of the clay court season came in Madrid. Based on these facts, I don't think it's a matter of opinion: Djokovic's results, on clay, have been hitherto superior to those of Federer.
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My thread (singular, not plural) has generated more discussion than any thread you've created. I'd be willing to bet that. Not that your standards are particularly high, after all, you're appealing to the lowest common denominator of this forum: prepubescent children. We've all done it, but don't get defensive when someone with a rudimentary comprehension of the Spanish language is able to spot your theatrics.
And that proof what? That you're right because your thread has a lot of responses?

Me defensive? You're the one who looks a bit angry right now. Calm down, this is not a war nor a fight between the light and the darkness



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Djokovic made the finals of Rome and Monte Carlo, not to mention his stunning SF performance against Nadal in Madrid; on the other hand, Roger's first final of the clay court season came in Madrid. Based on these facts, I don't think it's a matter of opinion: Djokovic's results, on clay, have been hitherto superior to those of Federer.
Not so clear. Federer won a MS (on clay against the nº1 player and maybe the best ever on clay), Djokovic a 250 event
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And that proof what? That you're right because your thread has a lot of responses?
You questioned the "substance" of a thread that I created several months ago, to which I replied that said thread had generated more substantive discussion than any that you've created and probably ever will create. It's nothing to boast about, so don't misinterpret my remarks as those of a braggart.

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Not so clear. Federer won a MS (on clay against the nº1 player and maybe the best ever on clay), Djokovic a 250 event
If only judging results were such a simple task, alas one must factor into the equation not only one tournament victory but the results over the course of the entire clay season. Roger lost to Wawrinka and Djokovic at two prestigious clay court tournaments. Moreover, he struggled against Andy Roddick in Madrid, losing a set -- which is shameful on clay. Notwithstanding an impressive victory over Nadal, such results are mediocre.

Yes, Djokovic lost to Nadal in Monte Carlo, Rome and Madrid, yet those results don't tell the entire story. The simple fact is that two of those losses came in finals, while one of them came following numerous match points, hence one can understand why Nadal would consider Djokovic to be the "in-form" player of the tournament.
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Re: Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

I haven't watched any of the tournaments leading up to the French Open because I figured (and I was almost 100% accurate) that Nadal would win all of them with his eyes closed and his hands on his back side which to me is a bit boring.

Just how or why Federer beat Nadal in Madrid I don't know, but I'd hazzard a guess he played the same way he always does from the baseline and that Nadal wasn't feeling well.

I'm not an expert on what a player needs to do to beat Nadal on clay or other surfaces but I've often wondered if players with two handed backhands like Djokovic and Murray fare better with two handers. It seems they can handle the high top spin better than one handers. Anyone agree or disagree?

Also, I hear commentators always saying that the only way Federer can beat Nadal is if he gets to the net. Did he do that in Madrid? Does anyone agree with this? I'm not sure because as good as Federer is, he sometimes looks like he's wishful thinking at the net.

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And still managed to lose to the lesser guy on clay.
Djokovic is just tactically playing better to Rafa. He showed the way how to hurt Rafa.
the funny thing is that Roger use that and beat him

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Re: Nadal: "Djokovic is better than Federer on clay"

Interesting that Nadal's opinion of Federer's chances should follow that of Murray.
Coincidence, no doubt.
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Djokovic is just tactically playing better to Rafa. He showed the way how to hurt Rafa.
the funny thing is that Roger use that and beat him
Djokovic is certanly not playing tactically better against Rafa, he has the weapons to potentialy beat him but couldnt find a way to do it in his 3 matches even when Rafa was subpar in Madrid. Federer on the other hand we all know doesnt really have the game to beat Rafa on clay and is Rafa is a horrible matchup for Federer, but he did try some interesting tactics in the final in Madrid and managed to beat a tired Rafa which really did surprise me.

Rafa is not a bad matchup for Djokovic and he is still down 4-14 against Rafa.

Rafa is a bad matchup for Federer and Federer is down by 7-13, considerably better record than Djokovic. Federer obviously has more creative answers of how to play Rafa than Djokovic.
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