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Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

If both Federer and Nadal end their careers having never won the fourth slam, a lot of people will say for example Fed can't be the GOAT if he doesn't win F/O for example, or Rafa can't be the GOAT without a US open title.

Is it less important for Rafa as he already holds a hardcourt slam and has won a slam on every surface (clay, HC, Grass)?

Or is it just as bad as Fed not winning RG, as he never won in America and could obviously never perform at the end of the season which is a major problem, and never holds a GS on a true fast hardcourt (like AO used to be)? Plexicushion is only medium speed.

Also if Rafa never wins US open I doubt he will make 3 finals so some could say Fed was closer to winning F/O. What I mean is if Rafa makes more than 3 finals of US open hes too clincial not to win it, so I think Rafa only misses out on US open if he never makes the final.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Rafa, Federer, and Sampras all end up with 14 slams each, and none of them winning all 4 slams. How do you decide the GOAT?
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Wouldn't it be interesting if Rafa, Federer, and Sampras all end up with 14 slams each, and none of them winning all 4 slams. How do you decide the GOAT?
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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

Federer is for me the only one who can be THE goat if he wins Roland Garros.
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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

Federer doesn't have to win RG to be the GOAT, breaking Sampras's 14 GS record would be enough really.

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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

federer is a poor man's sampras. their slam records are pretty similar. i think nadal will win atleast 3 us opens before he is out, he has just too much determintion to deny him. i think nadal can win 3 of each slam atleast. aussie open surface suits him, obviously the french, and 2 more wimbledons and he has a good chance of beating the slam record.

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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

seems like some people still haven't realized that nadal will win more Grand Slam at the end of his career including the career slam than federer.
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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

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If both Federer and Nadal end their careers having never won the fourth slam, a lot of people will say for example Fed can't be the GOAT if he doesn't win F/O for example, or Rafa can't be the GOAT without a US open title.

Is it less important for Rafa as he already holds a hardcourt slam and has won a slam on every surface (clay, HC, Grass)?

Or is it just as bad as Fed not winning RG, as he never won in America and could obviously never perform at the end of the season which is a major problem, and never holds a GS on a true fast hardcourt (like AO used to be)? Plexicushion is only medium speed.
You think that Rebound Ace was faster than the plexicushion?
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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

Federer's best years are behind him. He could certainly win 1 or 2 more slams, but I think French is beyond him.

Nadal's best years are still to come, and with selective rescheduling he could certainly win one or more US Opens.

Therefore the question is academic, because Nadal most probably WILL win all 4 slams. If he doesn't, then I think it will be probably be regarded as a worse "failure"
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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

Nadull can't be the GOAT, period. Are you dumb?
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Nadull can't be the GOAT, period.

Why not? Because you find him dull?
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Wouldn't it be interesting if Rafa, Federer, and Sampras all end up with 14 slams each, and none of them winning all 4 slams. How do you decide the GOAT?
Thats easy ... you stick with Rod Laver. 2 x Calendar Grand Slams - 11 Amatuer GS Singles titles plus 10 Pro GS titles making a total of 21.

Pancho Gonzales had a total of 21 Pro GS titles.

Although IMHO perhaps the GOAT should really be Ken Rosewall. 8 GS Singles titles plus 4 Wimbledon finals and he missed out on playing the Slams for 11 of his peak years!

Won Australian Open 1953 & 1955 (unable to play 1957-1968) won again 1971 & 1972 as 38yo!
French Open Won 1953 (unable to play 1957-1967) then won again 1968
Wimbledon Final 1954, 1956 (unable to play 1957-1667) then final again 1970 & 1974 (finalist at 40yo)!!!!
US Open Won 1956 (unable to play 1957-1967) then won again in 1970 as 36yo!

What could he have achieved in those 11 years? We do know he won the equivilent of 15 Pro Grand Slam singles titles during those 11 years - making a total of what would be 24 equivilent Grand Slam titles. Also, despite not all records being known, he also won at least 132 documented singles titles!

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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

Out of Federer, Sampras and Nadal I rate Federer the greatest (at this stage). The fact he has made 3 successive French finals elevates him IMO beyond Sampras who wasn't able to make a French Final. And it keeps him clear of Nadal for the moment, although Nadal has the potential to surpass his record if he does win USO and wins some more slams.

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Re: Whats worse, Fed never winning RG, or Rafa never winning US open?

FO is more special especially in relation to Wimby, so it is worse not having.

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seems like some people still haven't realized that nadal will win more Grand Slam at the end of his career including the career slam than federer.
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seems like some people still haven't realized that nadal will win more Grand Slam at the end of his career including the career slam than federer.
You remind me of all the Fed Sillies who claimed Fed would easily rack up 20 GS titles or more. And that was barely 18 months ago. Things can change fast in sports, better enjoy what is going on right at this moment for your favs then make bold predictions for the future. A little more historical perspective on the sport might be helpful in that.

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