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Federer one of best clay-courters ever!

I could have said this before his win today, but Roger is getting dissed about sucking on clay. The thing is, he is DEFINATELY in the top 5 all-time clay court players ever.

Federer has made it to the finals of Roland Garros 4 times!! The thing is Nadal is absolutely a monster on clay and by far the best ever. For Federer to beat him sometimes and consistently do well at RG and even MS clay events, makes him easily one of the best all-time on clay.

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He is on my top 10 list in the open era, but according to some tennis minds here he got lucky to find himself playing in the Nadal era. If he would have played in the Bruguera and Muster era I guess he would never have won anything.
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Federer is going to win 10 Roland Garros titles in a row now, the undisputed clay GOAT!!

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He is on my top 10 list in the open era, but according to some tennis minds here he got lucky to find himself playing in the Nadal era. If he would have played in the Bruguera and Muster era I guess he would never have won anything.
He surely would've achieved less but would've had a bigger shot at FO.
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Federer is going to win 10 Roland Garros titles in a row now, the undisputed clay GOAT!!
My sarcasm is much better than this.
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He surely would've achieved less but would've had a bigger shot at FO.
Don't state something that thoughtful.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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He surely would've achieved less but would've had a bigger shot at FO.
That is just speculation, personaly I cant see anything in the bunch of spaniards and Muster which could threaten Federer, but Kuerten would own him big time. Ferrero in his prime would pretty much be equal to Federer.

Early 90s and mid 90s was an awful time for clay tennis with avarage clay specialists dominating the surface while the great players had no idea how to play on clay (because they were all either americans or serve and volleyers), that is my opinion.
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I wouldn't specifically say a great clay courter, but rather a great player who had a very good game that worked on all surfaces. Apart from Nadal, most of the guys he faces on clay are playing the same game they would on any other surface, which is usually inferior to his own.

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Nadal took 4 titles away from him, or Federer would be best ever by far. Fed play Rafa close in some of those too, Rafa is just too good on clay

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Federer has made it to the finals of Roland Garros 4 times!!
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I wouldn't specifically say a great clay courter
3 runner ups in RG, 6 AMS runner ups and 5 AMS titles is a great clay courter, there is no way going around those stats. I know why you say he is not a great clay courter, it is because it is his weakest surface but even on clay he is an alltime great, he doesnt lose as much of his game as Sampras or even Agassi did on clay. He probably is comparable to Laver on clay, even if the comparasion is a little farstretched I see similarity in the way both have an allcourt game and manage to be effective with this kind of game even on clay.
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I wouldn't specifically say a great clay courter, but rather a great player who had a very good game that worked on all surfaces. Apart from Nadal, most of the guys he faces on clay are playing the same game they would on any other surface, which is usually inferior to his own.
this.

Federer has such a complete game that he can translate so well on any surface - clay included - and that's why he is one of the most complete players of all time if not THE one.

and yes he is among the all time greats even on clay.

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Re: Federer one of best clay-courters ever!

DEFINITELY.

His record is very, very good. But for someone so able on the surface, he's had some standout bad losses. Kuerten at RG '04, Mantilla in Rome '03, Nadal at RG '08, and how he managed to win against Nalabandian in RG '06 still puzzles me, Dahveed's injury notwithstanding.

You could look at Sampras' exceptional grasscourt record, only to cite the Corretja loss in Davis Cup on grass to show how even the most supreme surface specialists can come up short. But Pete's pistol was a bit of a dud at that stage.
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I wouldn't specifically say a great clay courter, but rather a great player who had a very good game that worked on all surfaces. Apart from Nadal, most of the guys he faces on clay are playing the same game they would on any other surface, which is usually inferior to his own.
Very solid this analysis.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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