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View Poll Results: Are players peaking at older ages in tennis now than in the past?
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post #421 of 534 (permalink) Old 03-14-2013, 01:03 AM
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Re: Why are teenagers struggling to break through?

It's simple:

Fitness


A 17 year old cannot compete with a 25 year old who is I'm his fitness prime
A fitness wonderkid like a Lukaku in soccer will come along and will change the game as we know but not in the next couple years
Or at least not from what I've seen
Tomic is a player currently that has that potential he's just not taking tennis as serious as the top players
You have to want it more than anything
It's harder to want it more than the top 4 (Rafa Nole Fed Murray)
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Re: Why are teenagers struggling to break through?

Cause they luck balls, muscles and confidence.

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Re: Why are teenagers struggling to break through?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it?
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Not good enough.

Physicality is not the issue. Nadal was a beast at 18 already.
I don't understand your logic here. Because Nadal was a beast means your average 18 year old is likely to be as well? Hasn't he long been held as an exceptionally physical specimen?


Between the slow state of the courts and the highly physical nature of the game, I'd say physicality is a glaring issue.

Those factors lend themselves to other issues as well though, too, like a greater need for a big weapon. In the absence of that, a rising player better be pretty damn versatile since weaknesses are made harder to hide as points, on average, seem more difficult to close out assertively.

For those reasons, I believe Raonic was able to make a name for himself on tour sooner than some of his seemingly more talented contemporaries.

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Re: Why are teenagers struggling to break through?

slower courts are 100% why

they require a more complete game and a stronger physique
most 18-22 year olds are not developed fully
they'll show up in a year or two

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Re: Why are teenagers struggling to break through?

Slowing down of the courts have made the game mega-physical....eliminating the punchers chance the talented young guns of yore would have. Simples.

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slower courts are 100% why
Did Dimitrov make 5 DFs in a row because of slow courts? And lost 2nd set in like 20 minutes? Did Goffin lose to Troicki because of slow courts? I'm really wondering how slow courts calculate into that.

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Game is too physical. No matter how talented you are, you need to have speed and strength to properly return a powerful serve.
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Re: Why are teenagers struggling to break through?

Someone who knows nothing about tennis wouldn't bother to ask. Someone who knows about tennis already knows the answer.
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Re: Age and Ranking Discussion Thread - Why is the top 100 getting older?

Does use of performance-enhancing drugs play a part in this? Conceivably, older players could extend their twilight years with peds, which, allied to nutrition and training advances, would enable them to hold their ranking and continue competing well into their thirties, thus keeping the younger players at bay.

I note that Richard Ings ex-ATP head of anti-doping, has previously commented on the doping risk presented by older players using peds to extend their careers.

Just a thought.
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Does use of performance-enhancing drugs play a part in this? Conceivably, older players could extend their twilight years with peds, which, allied to nutrition and training advances, would enable them to hold their ranking and continue competing well into their thirties, thus keeping the younger players at bay.

I note that Richard Ings ex-ATP head of anti-doping, has previously commented on the doping risk presented by older players using peds to extend their careers.

Just a thought.
I'm no expert in this, but is it not that performance enhancing drugs make your body more exhausted and abused in longer period of time? As far as I know, those drug-filled athletes from East Germany had some health issues.
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Re: Age and Ranking Discussion Thread - Why is the top 100 getting older?

The obvious thing which does spring to mind is the use of hGh in conjunction with testosterone. Standard fare these days, at least for the clientele of anti-ageing clinics, if not professional tennis players entering their twilight years.

I note one tennis name emerged from the Anthony Bosch bust in Florida earlier this year, down as a $500 a month hGh client although he vehemently denied any association with the clinic. He would say that, wouldn't he?, having already been busted once for hGh on his way to the AO a few years back.

It seems to me these players know the risk of getting caught for hGh is as near to non-existent as you could get, so why not carry on doping, even if you have been busted once already?
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Re: Age and Ranking Discussion Thread - Why is the top 100 getting older?

You are correct. Casual abuse of steroids e.g by gymrats, is a very risky practice indeed. However, I imagine abuse of steroids as peds by professional tennis players will be conducted under the care of compliant physicians with sufficient expertise to know what they are doing, signs to look out for etc.

It is my contention that professional tennis players should make enforced, regular declarations of their medical records to a specially-appointed medic with oversight responsibility for anti-doping. That ought to make life a tad more difficult for the dopers. Literally, nothing is being policed at present beyond the figleaf exercise carried out by the ITF. The term 'ITF anti-doping' is a complete misnomer, a PR con trick.
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Re: Age and Ranking Discussion Thread - Why is the top 100 getting older?

Or maybe the players are clean?

Maybe everyone is doing it correctly?

I know in this day and age it is in vogue to assert that players are taking this that and the other, especially in an era with Lance Armstrong, but I like to think that everyone is clean.

You may call it naive, but I'd rather believe everyone is clean and then find they are dirty, that I can live with, rather than believing players are dirty when in fact they are clean.

The question becomes, at what point do you sell your soul to win matches? I'd like to think that everyone is clean, and everyone has integrity.

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there are many different kinds of PEDs and it's a complicated topic.

As we've heard, one of the main effects that PEDs can provide now is to help recovering from long training sessions and matches and that's one of the main problem of old players, surely it would help them.

When players speak so much of nutrition and so on ... I really wonder why they would be so genuine not to use PEDs as well when doping tests are so inoffensive in tennis
Well, if you can see some trends, where the entire top 100 or top 200 is following the same pattern, I guess that would also mean the entire top 200 is doped?

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