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Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

If the slice doesnt work on Nadal and Federer himself knows it doesnt work on Nadal since he never uses the slice against Nadal on clay, why bother practising the slice on avarage players? specialy he should practice returning those 2nd serves without the slice, his returns of 2nd serves against Nadal on important points have been terrible.

Federer should have a coach who could make him more determined to play the right tennis to have a shot against Nadal against every opponent. He should think of having Nadal across the net against every opponent he faces on the way to the french open. Hard angled crosscourt backhands, good returns on 2nd serves, dropshots and a super aggresive forehand is what he should be practising against every opponent on the way to facing Nadal or else he will be slaughtered.

I remember a match in a french open semifinal when Federer sliced Davydenko to death and then when facing Nadal he didnt have a topspinbackhand to push Nadal around, he needs to get rythm on his backhand without the slice in every match on clay.
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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

why does karlovic slice every backhand?

same answer to a different question.

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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

I think focusing purely on ways to beat Nadal on clay (pretty much a waste of time at this stage) is probably one of the big reasons why he's now struggling to beat everyone else

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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

WHy does Federer use the topspin backhand on any surface?

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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

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why does karlovic slice every backhand?

same answer to a different question.
It is not the same, I have seen Federer have excellent rythm without using the slice on his backhand. Even in Australian open final this year his backhand was firing at moments against Nadal.
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If the slice doesnt work on Nadal and Federer himself knows it doesnt work on Nadal since he never uses the slice against Nadal on clay, why bother practising the slice on avarage players? specialy he should practice returning those 2nd serves without the slice, his returns of 2nd serves against Nadal on important points have been terrible.

Federer should have a coach who could make him more determined to play the right tennis to have a shot against Nadal against every opponent. He should think of having Nadal across the net against every opponent he faces on the way to the french open. Hard angled crosscourt backhands, good returns on 2nd serves, dropshots and a super aggresive forehand is what he should be practising against every opponent on the way to facing Nadal or else he will be slaughtered.

I remember a match in a french open semifinal when Federer sliced Davydenko to death and then when facing Nadal he didnt have a topspinbackhand to push Nadal around, he needs to get rythm on his backhand without the slice in every match on clay.
So he should change his natural game against all other opponents because of Nadal?

I think I know why Federer is a top tennis player and you aren't.
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I think focusing purely on ways to beat Nadal on clay (pretty much a waste of time at this stage) is probably one of the big reasons why he's now struggling to beat everyone else
I have said before Federer has 2 options, either he plays the clay season if he belives he has the slightest chanse of beating Nadal on clay or he prepares to Wimbledon and gets an advantage against Nadal and other players to win his 6th Wimbledon.
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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

It's not the slice that's been bad... it's his low % 1st serve as of late

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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

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So he should change his natural game against all other opponents because of Nadal?

I think I know why Federer is a top tennis player and you aren't.
On clay, yes. On other surfaces, no.
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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

if you are watching his match now, u might've noticed he just used his topspin backhand and made a kid in the crowd happy, giving him a souvenir

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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

well tennis is about using different tactics against different players
well he should stop using slice against Rafa and other players which can dig it up with huge top spinn
so stupid to play like it is rafa on the other side when playing Roddick for instance.....
if he does that he has stopped being creative
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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

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It's not the slice that's been bad... it's his low % 1st serve as of late
You are missing the point, his slice is good but no slice is good enought against Nadal on clay. Federer can barely play the slice on grass against Nadal.
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well tennis is about using different tactics against different players
well he should stop using slice against Rafa and other players which can dig it up with huge top spinn
so stupid to play like it is rafa on the other side when playing Roddick for instance.....
if he does that he has stopped being creative
Well, tennis is also about rythm. If his slice works against every player except Nadal and he uses his slice to get to finals against Nadal on clay, then when he gets to play Nadal his topspin backhand has no rythm, he is dependent on his slice but still cant play the slice, so he is forced to play a topspin backhand on all these awkward positions where he usually just plays a sliced backhand, he is forced to play a tennis very different from his natural game.
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Re: Why does Federer use the slice on clay?

because it's much safer than his utterly crappy backhand

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Well, tennis is also about rythm. If his slice works against every player except Nadal and he uses his slice to get to finals against Nadal on clay, then when he gets to play Nadal his topspin backhand has no rythm, he is dependent on his slice but still cant play the slice, so he is forced to play a topspin backhand on all these awkward positions where he usually just plays a sliced backhand, he is forced to play a tennis very different from his natural game.
I see what you're saying, but players would constantly target his backhand if they knew they'd get the weak topsin response each time, just like Nadal does. He uses his slice to mix the pace and move his opponent around and eventually make room for the big forehand.

You have to remember Federer is using the one hander as well, it's not comfortable to hit over the top of balls hit with pace and depth to that side, and he'd shank a lot more balls than he already does if he followed your advice, quite frankly.
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