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Question Estoril, Munich, and Belgrade Overlap

What is the reason for overlapped scheduling of three European ATP WT250 tournaments (Estoril, Munich, and Belgrade), all starting May 3? Each of these tournaments has only a count of 22 or fewer players signed to play with a draw of 32, 32, and 28 respectively. Seems like they are cannibalizing each other.

However, there's the same overlap twice later in the year with other WT250 tournaments (Vienna, Lyon, St Petersburg; Gstaad, LA, and Umag). But then other WT250 tourneys have no competition at that level.

Is this just unavoidable due to a crowded schedule, the preference of tourney organizers, or other factors?
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Re: Estoril, Munich, and Belgrade Overlap

i never understood why they did the scheduling that way--especially with the last set you mentioned. umag and gstaad should be on separate weeks as part of the post-W clay court circuit

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Was Vienna downgraded?

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Re: Estoril, Munich, and Belgrade Overlap

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i never understood why they did the scheduling that way--especially with the last set you mentioned. umag and gstaad should be on separate weeks as part of the post-W clay court circuit
i dont mind there being three tournament a week... it has always been this way... its ok imo...

its when they have 4 in a week a couple of times, yet shorten the length of an already packed spring clay court schedule by a week because it interferes with the us college basketball playoffs in the same year that ****s me right off...

i fully agree with you regarding keeping a consecutive weekly claycourt swing going... its ok to double and triple up pre Roland Garros because you want the depth getting decent matchplay, but it makes no sense for these tournaments to go head to head and devalue one another at this time of year when the big clay tourneys re done and dusted...

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Was Vienna downgraded?
ATP website lists Vienna as a World Tour 250.
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Re: Estoril, Munich, and Belgrade Overlap

Estoril's entry list is not bad at all. Davydenko (every year lol), Nalbandian, Blake, Ferrer and Gasquet. A cut-off below 100.

Munich and Belgrade have a cut-off below 100 too. Three good/average entry lists!

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Estoril's entry list is not bad at all. Davydenko (every year lol), Nalbandian, Blake, Ferrer and Gasquet. A cut-off below 100.

Munich and Belgrade have a cut-off below 100 too. Three good/average entry lists!
What does the tourney do if it only has only 18 players below 100, but is supposed to be a 28 draw? Today's listing for Serbia Open shows only 18 players ranked under 100, but with 4 above it (Daniel, Mayer, Krajinovic, and Zlatanovic). They can give 2-3 wildcards (Krajinovic, and Zlatanovic?). Isn't this inviting a problem when scheduling 3 same level tourneys the same week?

NAME COUNTRY ATP RANKING
Andreas Seppi Italy 39
Arnaud Clement France 58
Arsenije Zlatanovic Serbia 1401
Christophe Rochus Belgium 62
Filip Krajinovic Serbia 519
Guillermo Canas Argentina 89
Igor Andreev Russia 23
Ivan Ljubicic Croatia 68
Ivo Karlovic Croatia 27
Janko Tipsarevic Serbia 46
Kei Nishikori Japan 94
Kristof Vliegen Belgium 92
Leonardo Mayer Argentina 107
Marcel Granollers Spain 54
Marcos Daniel Brasil 111
Nicolas Massu Chile 91
Nicolas Devilder France 61
Novak Djokovic Serbia 3
Radek Stepanek Czech Republic 18
Sam Querrey USA 47
Victor Hanescu Romania 38
Viktor Troicki Serbia 41

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Re: Estoril, Munich, and Belgrade Overlap

The ATP has had "3 tournament" weeks for years. It's no big deal. Happens every February too.

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The ATP has had "3 tournament" weeks for years. It's no big deal. Happens every February too.
all four weeks of February every year have 3 tournaments

pointless thread
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all four weeks of February every year have 3 tournaments

pointless thread
The original post already pointed out that there are in fact 3 instances of overlapping weeks. The purpose of the thread is to get info from other posters about the reasons for this overlap as it seems to hamper these tourneys from getting a full field of under 100 ranked players. It is especially odd since other WT250 tourneys are scheduled unopposed. Not posing it as a federal case, I'm just curious about it.

That it "has always been this way" is not a rationale for why it is so.


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:retard:

Read your own posts Cincy guy, and think hard. You might find the answer


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Read your own posts Cincy guy, and think hard. You might find the answer
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Re: Estoril, Munich, and Belgrade Overlap

Nothing unusual about this.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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