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What makes Djokovic (so far) better than Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

Just out of curiosity, what do you think makes Djokovic more effective vs. Nadal on clay, does it have to do with the fact that Djokovic has played Nadal more often on clay?

I my opinion the only thing Djokovic has better than Murray is his inside out forehand, with the backhand down the line being almost even, giving a slight edge to Murray.

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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

Djokovic has grown up playing a lot on clay, while Murray hasn't. His game is much more natural than Murray's on the dirt. The first thing Murray has to learn how to do is skidding. Right now he just plays hardcourt tennis everywhere.

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murray is just a skirt wearing ugly ratface mug that learnt to play clay 5 days ago and according to the vulgar and repulsive british media he is already challenging nadal and borg for the greatest clay courter of all time! the only reason murray took nadal to a tiebreak was because nadal went very defensive and choked on serve serving for the match like he has been doing recently! murray should have lost to fognini very easily, this skirt wearing scottish mug has unreal amounts of luck! he gets the easiest draws!
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Djokovic has grown up playing a lot on clay, while Murray hasn't. His game is much more natural than Murray's on the dirt. The first thing Murray has to learn how to do is skidding. Right now he just plays hardcourt tennis everywhere.
couldn't agree more, Muzza's movement on clay looks unnatural and forced, he still hits the ball pretty flat for this surface, he's a much better player overall than many many others and that's why he got to the semis in MC, but he's not above Rafa, Roger and Djoker on clay

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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

2nd serve, forehand and movement on clay.
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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

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Just out of curiosity, what do you think makes Djokovic more effective vs. Nadal on clay, does it have to do with the fact that Djokovic has played Nadal more often on clay?

I my opinion the only thing Djokovic has better than Murray is his inside out forehand, with the backhand down the line being almost even, giving a slight edge to Murray.

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Two things in particular. His forehand is more suited to clay and he moves better on clay. He is the only player that I can think of, with the exception of Nadal, who uses an open stance when sliding off both sides. That's a huge advantage, but it's obviously something both Nadal and Djokovic have developed.

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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

Played more matches, more suited to clay, although Muzza showed promising signs.
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Djokovic is more talented and complete player than murray. He just needs to make sure his head is screwed on.
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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

Does it matter? Neither Nadal or Djokovic can beat Nadal on clay, so who is closer doesn't really matter at all...

I don't like Nadal.
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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

Well it's also a pretty clear matchup issue, Nole's game can blow Nadal off the court on HC, to a lesser extent this also goes on clay. Murray is more versatile than Djokovic but his game still doesn't naturally match up that well against Nadal.

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Djokovic is more talented and complete player than murray. He just needs to make sure his head is screwed on.
Not sure how you can say he is more complete. The whole talent thing is debatable, but Murray has far more to his game. Djokovic is more of a straight ahead baseliner. He doesn't really change the pace, he doesn't volley particularly well, and his slice makes my eyes bleed. He's fantastic at what he does, has great strokes, moves well (particularly on clay), but variety isn't his strong point. Besides, variety isn't something that you really need on clay, so that has no bearing on why he's better on the dirt.

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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

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Just out of curiosity, what do you think makes Djokovic more effective vs. Nadal on clay, does it have to do with the fact that Djokovic has played Nadal more often on clay?

I my opinion the only thing Djokovic has better than Murray is his inside out forehand, with the backhand down the line being almost even, giving a slight edge to Murray.

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I say you stole my idea from Arsen's thread
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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

Djokovic has a longer chin, it gives him more aerodynamics in the forehand.
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Re: What makes Djokovic (so far) better that Murray vs. Nadal on clay?

Muzza has a more versatile game, but Djoker adapts better to the change of surfaces

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Djokovic has a longer chin, it gives him more aerodynamics in the forehand.
yea but murray's pointy ratface and weird hair will increase aerodynamics thus aiding his movement!
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